At the very least Beto may have reversed a downward trend in sales and PAC donations on the gunfan side.
Speaking for yourself, of course. I am all aboard for reproductive rights, LGBQT equality, mandated maternity leave, organized labor, universal health care, science-based climate policy and cultural diversity and yet I do not find ownership of an AR/AK pattern weapon by a lay citizen to be per se offensive or harmful.
Now, OTOH talk about some of the owners… and heck, sure, they include a cohort that should not be trusted to keep and bear soup ladles, never mind firearms, and I’d easily support making it hard for them to get their hands on one even if it means I just made it twice as expensive for my sensible neighbors. But as someone said upthread, maybe if we could have seen some willingness to address that?
Generally, most people would think those bans are like the previous ban, a ban on selling or importing. Not a door to door confiscation. Most people are in favor of a ban on selling.
You know, you have repeated this statement on several threads, and you have been corrected each time, yet you continue.
More or less civilians cant own automatic weapons in the USA. There is no big difference in “firepower” between a pump, lever action, bolt action gun, or semi-auto, all can be fired pretty fast. Watch “The Rifleman” sometime.
And of course Olympic shooters own quite a few guns, in fact the Olympics require several types of guns for their events.
Most Police officers own several and carry two.
There’s also sports, skeet & trap shooting, Target shooting, collecting, cowboy action shooting, black power mtn man events, and many more.
Again the ignorance about guns by those who want to ban them is amazing. And you have no excuse. You have had this explained to you.
That is complete nonsense. It if were true, then people would just download an app for their phone for the sound effect to defend themselves. Does it sound silly to you now?
That’s because Marijuana ownership is not the subject of the Heller decision, which only allows for ”prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons” such as strictly military arms like the M-16, while completely protecting the “usual type of weapon kept in the home.” Since the AR-15 is the most common rifle you will find in an American home, and this was true when Heller was written, itis clearly a protected firearm.
While official sales numbers are hard to come by because AR’s are sold by a number of manufacturers, it’s a generally accepted fact that the AR-15 is the most popular rifle in America. Google it.
The GOP are playing up the “he’s a fake Mexican” angle in their current smear materials, pretending that he’s only adopted the name “Beto” (and presumably the ability to speak Spanish) to pander to all those illegal Hispanics coming over here to vote, despite evidence that he’s gone by “Beto” since childhood. The fact that they’ve ramped up the smear campaign at all does suggest that they do indeed “fear him” - or at least that his message might resonate, much as they did with AOC.
Or perhaps O’Rourke in doing this will give all the other spineless Democrats a chance to say, “hey, that guy over there? He’s the gun-grabber, not me. When did I ever suggest taking away guns? You know, something that might actually do something about the problem. Nah, stick with me, and you can rest assured that I’ll only call for some background checks here, or some red flag alerts there, and a bunch of other things that will only have a minimal effect.” Of course, they won’t come right out and say the part about these things not really helping much. They’ll pretend that they are actually addressing the issue. Sorry for using your comment as a jumping off point on the Dems (:)), btw, but I’m serious.
As for your claim about the AR-15, it is clear, or at least I thought it was, and still is, that some guns can be regulated. That is, wanting to ban AR-15s is not necessarily a violation of the Constitution, and especially not just because they are the most popular. Is this incorrect?
Please tell me you are talking about “duties” in the sense of the police and other *trained *law enforcement officers, and not every concealed-carry lunkhead out there who thinks he’s John Fucking Wayne. Private citizens with concealed-carry permits are scary. Who needs to go to Kroger’s with a gun?
My bold and italics. I see this type of response all the time, and I wish to God gun-control advocates would take note. They need to be completely knowledgeable about the terms they use, so legitimate questions like yours are nullified. And on that note, we need a term for a gun like the Dayton killer used, that allows one to kill 9 people and injure dozens more in 30 seconds. A term that is so suggestive of this type of firepower, that terms like automatic or semi-automatic, or whatever, become completely irrelevant.
It seems entirely possible to me that Beto O’Rourke changed his mind on gun laws after what happened with the recent shooting in his home state. So, I find your (the OP) asking “was he lying then or lying now” to be pretty bad well-poisoning and not in good faith. That seems to be a terrible way to start an honest debate – did you mean to post this in the Pit?
OP, I thought you had agreed that name-calling was counterproductive and were looking to raise the tone of discussions in the debate forums (GD and Elections). To that end, what’s with calling him Francis? He doesn’t go by that and, honestly, I had no idea who you were talking about until I read further into the thread. Is that some sort of right-wing smear tactic? I don’t get it. Anyway, I think you would have been better served avoiding that, if your goal was to have an honest discussion, rather than a Pit rant. Of course, I’m not a moderator, so you do you, but you seemed receptive to raising the general tone in the past.
I liked the alliteration with flip-flop. How long did it take you to figure out who the OP was referring to? The first four letters are “Beto” and the first word in the title is “O’Rourke”.
As always, your feedback is appreciated and most welcome.
This will be my last post here, because I think the first post poisoned the well with the assumption that Beto was lying either before or now. However, to address your question, I couldn’t figure out who Francis was and why he was mentioned in the title. I don’t know the middle names of all the candidates (or any? I’m trying to think of a middle name of any of them). I find this kind of misnaming to be childish, and that’s the other reason I won’t be back here.