I have found just how involved they are with us, the word ‘spirit guide’ or ‘guide of human destiny’ is a good description. The scriptures speak in parable about God not wanting to pull up enemy plants (children of Satan) because this process will interfere with the good seed (children of God), they are that intertwined with us. Any object which us used to contact the spirits which gets a answer, which may include a non-answer, is contact with demons, any attempt to manulip the board to deceive are demons acting through that person.
Again the board is irrelevant, you could do the same flipping a coin. You are placing your destiny in the hands of the gods for answer.
They came to me, but later through meditation and still later astral projection.
K-bird, you seem to be saying that spirit guides and demons are the same thing, and they always interact with us, mainly with objects that are used to determine outcomes, such as coins and games. You say you’ve seen demons through meditation and astral projection, which sounds too New Age for most strident Christians, and most if not all of them would deem those methods as serving Satan. Yet you also advocate Jesus and his ability to defeat evil and demons. How do you justify your non-Christian practices in serving Jesus?
At one time I served demons, I repented of that and now serve the Lord Jesus. It doesn’t change what I have done in my past, nor am I barred of talking about it.
thanks for your interesting and mostly extreme comments, but what should I expect its an open forum after all, but they were mainly valuable comments.
Since the original posting we have contacted a professor at Liverpool University UK. At his initial request we performed the same “trick” as last week and with his students viewing, researching and partaking to try and reduce “trickery” we got the same results. I and another have been invited to attend the university to try and get these reults within a contained and clean scientific environment. A contract has been signed on the right of any filming and therefore we will have the results (if any) available on film in a controlled environment and certified within a few months.
I am still as skeptical as many on this forum but cant help thinking what if? There is as yet no logical explanation offered anyone who has attended both sessions (if thats what they are called) Most of the explanations on this forum are immediately discounted (I apologise, I didnt explain events well enough) because of the situation (barring multiple spy cameras put around my house without me knowing and without me still finding)
I also completely agree, ouija board is a toy you can buy at toysrus, but so is a model globe, now 400 years ago if you tried to sell one of them you’d of been laughed at and burnt at the stake. The ouija board is as I said a toy makers name for a talking board, talking boards were used 000s of years ago, long before the Parker brothers were born. (I am told by historians that ancient greeks, egyptians and romans used them)
and as far as me being stupid and gullible thank you for those kind comments however, I do hold a university degree in Electronic engineering and an MBA from the university of Wales in Cardiff. Which is why Liverpool University have taken me seriously(ish)
When available and with the agreement of all parties I will post excerpts of the film on this website. (if theres nothing or something to see either way)
Thanks again, your comments, no matter how extreme were all valuable.
> I also completely agree, ouija board is a toy you can buy at toysrus, but so is a
> model globe, now 400 years ago if you tried to sell one of them you’d of been
> laughed at and burnt at the stake. The ouija board is as I said a toy makers
> name for a talking board, talking boards were used 000s of years ago, long
> before the Parker brothers were born. (I am told by historians that ancient
> greeks, egyptians and romans used them)
Don’t expect us to trust you if you can’t get simple facts straight. Nobody believed 400 years ago that the Earth was flat. Nobody believed it 517 years ago just before Christopher Columbus sailed to the New World either. Since the time of the ancient Greeks (at least, and probably even earlier than that), it’s been well known that the Earth is a sphere.
Oh, and on a personal note, I find people who spend all day looking in a dictionary and theasaurus to find the most complicated and in their eyes intellectual way of saying something simply, hilarious. I can’t help thinking they are over compensating for something? Perhaps an underdeveloped external male sex organ that is used to copulate and ejaculate semen and to convey urine outside the body.
I have to warn you though that even James Randi encountered university guys that fell for Uri Geller. It is when the tests change just slightly, being that we are testing the spirit world, that the changes should not affect the results; but almost always they are affected.
Just seeing the credulous videos on Youtube I would say that even that has been done already. And even Penn and Teller are not impressed.
sorry, Wendell, big black mark against me. I feel the point I was making more important than the actual date chris sailed to the new world. Do you know the date the cromwell sent his orders to the battle of wigan and where from? I suspect not, but by you not knowing I do not presume you thick as two short planks nor a liar. If your only valid contribution is to pick holes in comments rather than discuss a thread or post in its entirity and meaning then, well done, as long as it makes you feel big and clever, you keep going, but please go find another thread to do it on.
Sorry, Im going so dont expect a reply to your response
Cheers for the link Gigobuster, but tell me, Penn and Teller, what university do they perform research for and how controlled was that environment they filmed in, or perhaps they were more concerned with the commerical value of their “scientific” experiment
I dont mind arguments for or against, but at least make them credible
My point was not that you got the date of Christopher Columbus’s voyages wrong. My point was that you don’t know that everybody has known that the Earth is a sphere since the time of the ancient Greeks. That’s a pretty basic fact.
Furthermore, I don’t see a single post in this thread that makes it look like somebody spends “all day looking in a dictionary and theasaurus to find the most complicated and in their eyes intellectual way of saying something.” In general, the posts in this thread are fairly clear and not remotely written in difficult language. If you find any of the posts difficult to understand, ask us to explain them to you.
What Penn and teller did was performed many times before, the lack of a good explanation by the part of the Ouija believers of that and other tests is what continues to discredit this.
So far I see that your situation is very specific, the possibility of cheating (not by you mind you) is still huge, and as I have seen from many experiments in the past, when I see people like you mention very little on the specifics on the test and the retaking of it that then I have to disregard what you are saying.
The Battle of Wigan was on August 25, 1651. I’m not sure what it means for Cromwell to send his orders. He ordered troops to the battle on either August 20 or 21. That took me all of a minute to look up. In any case, that’s entirely different from the fact that everyone since the time of the ancient Greeks has known that the Earth is a sphere. That’s a pretty basic fact in the history of science. Details about the Battle of Wigan aren’t.
Really, and who determines outrageous claims, skeptics, of course. You didn’t listen to the video, the doctors backed up her claims. Real people who have seen that video seem to understand it ok.
