What the fuck, does every fucking thing have to be FaceTwatted to everyone, what the fuck is wrong with US “intelligence”
I guess they have a stupendous example in the US from the Commander in Chief that intelligence absolutely and fucking beautifully shared with our enemies.
Screw me sideways with a Saguaro, and as for the US media? Do they like making it more difficult to catch these terrorist scumbags?
We should have expected this sort of cooperation from a bunch of idiots who seemed to think that the IRA was either a tax agency or a bunch of green leprachauns with AK47s.
So do the US authorities have any idea of what the word confidential might actually mean?
So we share our information in the hope it might be useful to our allies, and find it spread across the entire globe to our enemies.
So now everyone knows the location of the blast, the family of explosives, an idea of the construction of the device, and the radius of the blast, we even know there was likely a failsafe as part of the bomb - fuck me, they even tell us the manufacturer of the battery, its voltage and pretty much makes a recommendation of the battery too.
Fucking hell, what the fuck is wrong with you Americans, isn’t the death of 22 people enough news for you? Isn’t having drooling imbecile for a president newsworthy enough for you? Isn’t revealing secrets tot he Russians just too limiting a choice that you have to tell the cunting whole planet and everyone in orbit for light years around the solar system enough?
Why not select the next fucking target for the terrorists too, and maybe send them the bits to make another such bomb?
This is all part of Trump’s “one more dimension than you, personally, feel comfortable with” chess game. Have a little faith, will you? We are all in competent, strong, honest, small- very small, hands.
Seeing as the bomber already knew all this(or somebody did), what’s the point of keeping any of it secret?
Every terrorist (or group) in the world already knows this shit.
Why share intelligence, the Russians are probably already in the line for daily US intelligence briefings. Now it seems that pantload Sessions forgot to tell the DOJ about his meetings with the Russians too.
Hope the military is smart enough to not talk to the Tangerine Jesus about anything sensitive.
I’d prefer it if the investigating agency control the release of information.
For example, the bomber’s name was released while Greater Manchester Police were trying to figure out his associates and acquaintances.
The most recent NYT article provides info about how effectively the device worked. The current working hypothesis seems to be that the bomber wasn’t the bomb-maker. So if the bomb-maker is still out there, he’s just been passed intel on how effectively his bomb worked.
Can you not see how these things might be deeply unhelpful to an active counter-terror investigation? Never mind the breach of trust between UK and US intelligence services this implies, and the damage that it may cause to future intelligence sharing.
I believe that the real issue is that the US media is being fed details which the Greater Manchester Police are not ready to release to the public. By alerting possible associates of the bomber just what they know it may allow them to cover their tracks somewhat, or else, as with Trumps bragging intelligence to the Russians, compromise information sources.
Granting, for the sake of argument, that it was bad to publish/broadcast the details mentioned, who gave that info to the U.S. media?
“If it bleeds it ledes/leads” has been a watchword in the U.S. media for decades–a practice they learned from their Fleet Street counterparts (back when those worthies were actually in Fleet Street). Given that, what idiot actually provided a U.S. outlet with the information without given the Brit media the same info?
If the UK media had it they would not publish it but the US media has a slightly different view on this and they are only doing what they always do.
There is no point blaming them for their nature (but they have knowingly compromised an ongoing investigation, the editors will have to search their conscience about that, if that is possible)
The bigger problem is where they got this from in the first place. This is clearly official sensitive information belonging to the counter-terrorist organisations in the UK and most likely there is (was!) an agreement to share such intel with US counterparts.
It is incomprehensible to me why this would be leaked by them, sure the CIC seems to treat top secret intel with disdain but that example can’t have percolated through to the all tiers just yet can it?
This is some really unpalatable shit. The government, police and intelligence services here are spitting fucking blood over this, rightly so. This of course has the effect of damaging trust and risking the full disclosure of intel in the future. May is talking to Trump about this today and behind the scenes I’d imagine a demand for head on a plate over this, wonder how the spicy nik-nak* in chief will respond to that?
*I’d have used “cheeto” but spicy nik-naks are more UK-centric and are much the same sickly orange colour and bulbous, amorphous mess of a shape.
To the OP, please tell me you are not that naive. If you don’t want someone to leak information don’t share it, full stop. Information you share with foreign governments is no longer in your control. Don’t share it if you cannot bear the risks of it getting out.
And don’t mix up ally with confidant.
ETA: to the above poster, US media and government owes no loyalty to the UK and its institutions. If the decide that sharing information and publishing are in their best interests, they will do so. Don’t project your patriotism onto them.
…To AK84: please don’t tell me you are not this naive.
The UK and the US share this kind of information all the fucking time. We don’t hear about it because it is fucking secret. You don’t think that this happens every time a major terrorist event happens? The intelligence agencies can’t work in a vacuum.
Except the United States is going to have to start working in a vacuum from now on. Because under the current administration, they have shown that they cannot be trusted with sensitive information. This is utter lunacy and should never, ever have happened. This isn’t about “loyalty.” Its about the most effective way to wage the “war on terror.” And it now appears that keeping the United States out of the loop is going to be the way things are done from now on.
Ha ha. Ha Ha Ha. Ha Ha Hahahaha. Thanks, I needed that laugh. Keep the US out of the loop? Oh, that’s hilarious. You think that the UK or anyone who is not Russia or China has the infrastructure or indeed expertise to replicate the US’s abilities in this sephere? You think GCHQ is going to say “well the US MILSAT network is great, but cause Greater Manchester Police’s intel got compromised, we are going to stop using that?”. Or the Royal Navy is going to say “fuck it we don’t need SOSUS data”. Or say “na na na” when the CIA shared intel.
You think it’s also the fucking first time during the history of this sharing agreement that one party has leaked information without the other being happy about it?
Thats never going to happen. And that is what my post was in reply to. Your stupid, inane notion that somehow the US is going to lose access to UK cooperation just because a couple of pictures and descriptions were leaked.
Suuuuuure. They are going to express displeasure. And then continue as before. You are a sharp poster. The GMP is not going to be permitted to let its (probably justified) annoyance at the leaks jeopardize US-UK information sharing, its not their call what Government level sharing decisions are. And no one fighting international terror networks (which is what this attack seems to be) is going deny themselves access to the US Intel network.
…of course its going to happen. Its already fucking happening. What happened here wasn’t a “leak.” It was piss-poor information security. It is very easy for countries to be very selective with what information is shared with US intelligence agencies. And that has already started to happen. For fucks sakes: there are even stories out there that allege US intelligence agencies are only giving information to the Trump Administration on a “need to know” basis. Trump gave up information to the Russians that compromised an Israeli operative. Things aren’t “business as usual”.
