Padilla Decision - A Blow to Bush's Powers

The Second Circuit of the Court of Appeals dealt a severe blow to Bush’s exercise of his “Presidential Powers” by ruling that they can not detain U.S. citizens, arrested on U.S. soil, as “enemy combatants” without allowing the person some access to challenge the detention.

Yippee!!! I say. Although the citizen this ruling aids is vile scum, I, for one, am ecstatic that someone somewhere finally tried to rein in the Presidential power grab that has been going on since 9/11.

Here’s a quick recounting of the case:

On May 8, 2002, a United State’s citizen by the name of Jose Padilla was arrested at O’Hare airport in beautiful Chicago, Illinois, and detained pursuant to a material witness warrant for a grand jury investigation into the atrocity that destroyed the World Trade Center Towers. On June 9, 2002, the government moved to dismiss the subpoena against Padilla, and, instead, Bush issued an order that Padilla was an enemy combatant and ordered that he be held indefinitely by the Department of Defense. For the next 18 months, he was held in a detention facility without access to his family, his lawyers, or any media. He has been repeatedly questioned regarding Al-Qaeda.

After Padilla’s attorney filed a motion for habeas corpus, the District Court hearing the case ordered that Padilla be allowed to speak with his attorney to work on the habeas and to try to prove he was not an ‘enemy combatant.” Rumsfeld refused, and after some more legal wrangling, appealed.

The Second Circuit heard the case. After considering some, what I consider secondary, issues that Rumsfeld raised (that Padilla’s attorney couldn’t file as a friend, that Rumsfeld was the improper party, and that the court didn’t have jurisdiction, the Court considered whether the President has the power to indefinitely detain a U.S. citizen, arrested on U.S. soil, without access to his attorney or the courts.

Thankfully, the Second Circuit said no, he can’t. Rumsfeld had argued that the President has inherent power to detain enemy combatants, regardless of whether they are U.S. citizens on U.S. soil, and relied on a prior case In Re Quirin, which had allowed the detention of saboteurs in WWII. The Second Circuit seems to say that that power is limited by Congress, which has sole authority to suspend habeas, declare war, and to legislate actions. Absent Congressional authority, the President cannot detain American citizens, arrested on American soil.

The Court went on to discuss the Quirin case, and ruled that it was not applicable to Padilla. In Quirin, Congress had granted express Congressional authority to the President to detain and try enemy combatants. Such was not the case here. Second, Quirin was decided before 18 USC 4001(a) was enacted, which requires Congressional authority before detention. Third, the “enemy combatants” in Quirin admitted to being soldiers in an army against which the United States had formally declared war. Not even Rumsfeld has alleged Padilla was a active member in Al-Qaeda. For those reasons, Bush’s order naming Padilla an “enemy combatant” and ordering his detention was unconstitutional.

Rumsfeld then argued that, WAIT, Congress has authorized Bush to take these kinds of actions. The Court looked into the plain language and the legislative history of 4001(a) and determined that it would not allow the detention, even though it was a “military” detention and not a civilian detention. Rumsfeld also argued that the Congressional authorization of the use of force against the perpetrators of 9/11, gave the Congressional authorization needed to Bush. NosirreeBob, the Court said. There was no language in the Congressional act that allowed for the detention of United State’s citizens on United State’s soil. No go, says the Court.

The Court ordered that Padilla be released within 30 days. Padilla may still be held to answer civilian charges, or as a material witness.

So, whatta think?

It’s the right decision.

I think it’s a great decision and I hope it carries over to Guantanemo.

It seems to me that the classification of “enemy combatant” is a complete tautology since there is no defined “enemy” except whoever is designated as such by the US government.

What if Padilla is a crook, and not a traitor? What if he went over there and scammed Al Queda out of a pile of money, and intended to blow it on J Lo videos and crack? Is there any evidence at all?

He’s an American citizen, just as much as Tim McVeigh, and he got his day in court. If we put up with this shit, our Bill of Rights is just so much whimsy, to be set aside at the whim of Our Leader. I don’t trust me that much, damnsurebetcha I don’t trust him that much!

Notice that the court’s decision makes a very critical, and, I would argue, a very correct distinction between “captured” persons who were taken into custody in a combat situation and “arrested” persons taken into custody on US soil.

Holy F. Lee Bailey, Batman, an ex-public defender and a prosecutor agreeing on something? Will wonders never cease?

Actually, the Court went out of it’s way to announce that this ruling has absolutely nothing to do with Hamdi or the combatants detained in Gitmo, so don’t hold your breath.

Oh, I forgot to add the opinion itself.

If Padilla intended to keep J.Lo in the public spotlight for one second more by buying her videos, he is a terrorist.

On a serious note, though, the evidence against Padilla was submitted to the District court. The unsealed declaration stated that Padilla is a convicted murderer, he was “closely associated” with members of Al-Qaeda, that, while in Afghanistan he was involved in a plan to explode a “dirty bomb” on U.S. soil, and he went to Pakistan to train with Al-Qaeda. He then returned to Chicago after being instructed to by senior Al-Qaeda officials.

The Government also submitted to the district court a sealed declaration that, for security purposes, was never released. The District Court characterized the sealed declaration as “identifying one or more of the sources referred only in cryptic terms in the unsealed declaration” and “set[ting] forth objective, circumstantial evidence that corroborates the factual allegations in the unsealed declaration.”

It appears there was enough evidence to convince the district court that something was up.

This has been the case that has bothered me the most. US citizen arrested on US soil. No brainer. The guy should get a civilian trial in the US justice system.

Bush, et al, need to quite this kind of BS and focus on the battles they have a chance to win.

And if the Shrub is on one of his “Divine Right Of Kings” jags, and actually defies the Court? Tells them “OK. You ruled it, now enforce it yourself, 'cause I ain’t gonna do it!”

What happens then?

The Bush Administration has always seemed to me to be the types to throw as much shit against the wall as they could, in hopes that something will stick. This is a prime example of that - what I like to call the Monkey Flinging Feces approach to public policy.

The Bush administration has asked the Supreme Court to issue a stay on the Second Circuit’s order, as well as asking for an expediated hearing on the issue. My guess is that because it involves major constitutional issues, SCOTUS will grant the stay stopping the immediate enforcement of the order, and then hear the case.

If no stay is ordered and they do not comply with the order, look for another round of motions from Padilla’s lawyer asking for sanctions, etc. Then more time while those are argued in court. Think of the Roy Moore case.

As much as I dislike Bush, I can’t imagine he’d go so far as to defy valid court orders for very long, especially if SCOTUS gets involved.

No matter how much you think things should be up for grabs, I feel there are a precious few matters one should be able to count on.

IMO the right of a US citizen to counsel is on that short list.

I have not thought up a scenario justifying an exception. AFAIK, Padilla’s situation does not even come close.

Well, the usual pack of Bush apologists will start telling us how George is in the right, and the Supreme Court is a bunch of pinko activists who have overstayed their welcome. They’ll then be carping about how the solution to this are more Bush-picked judges to federal benches, and then smear the Democrats as “obstructionists” for blocking 1% of Bush’s appointees. Anyone who disputes their points will be called unpatriotic and accused of supporting terrorism.

Oh, and the Clintons will get blamed for something along the way as well. Probably for selling the secret of Vince Foster’s murder to the Chinese or something…

:wink:

And if someone throws up a Strawman, why would he expect anyone to debate it?

Thank god.

I doubt it. At least I hope not. I hope that there’re certain limits.

If you take a look at what a straw man actually is, you’ll realize that this is not a straw man. Rather, it is a question.

A straw man is an attempt to argue for the other side with specious arguments. Bosda did nothing of the sort.

A strawman can’t be a question? Maybe I have this wrong, but I though Bosda was:

I suppose it could be:

  • Argument From Adverse Consequences (Appeal To Fear, Scare Tactics)
  • Hypothesis Contrary To Fact

Or some other logical fallacy. I sometimes have difficultly differentiating them one from the other.

JM,
Bosda didn’t do any attacking, didn’t make any argument, did not advance any position. Without these, there can be no straw man.

He just asked what would happen if Bush pulled a Jackson.

Andrew Jackson defied the US Supreme court in the 19th Century.

Since there is precedent, the Current Administration could take the position that they can legally do this.

So no, my question was not a “straw man”, it was a question.

The right decision, and SCOTUS will uphold (said he, speaking ex cathedra from his navel).

As for Bush defying the court, I consider that such a low probability that I won’t waste my breath until it happens. I’ll leave it to the frothing Bush haters. Have fun indulging your paranoia. You may also debate whether it is a straw man or not to your heart’s content; it is hypothetical, and so improbable that I’m not going to waste my energy.

Padilla was the first step on the slippery slope, and I’ve been holding my breath. Actually, the whole damn Patriot Act is five or six steps down the slippery slope, and Padilla is the first sign we can step back. Praise Heaven we can at least step back this much.