Pagan military chaplains

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Utter drivel? Let’s assume a catholic chaplain decided after some soul searching that a war the USA is engaged in doesn’t fit the current definition of a justifiable war by the catholic church. And that he would advise all catholic soldiers (or even all soldiers, period) he’s in contact with that they would be comiting a grave sin if they agreed to fight in this war. For how long would he be allowed to serve in the military, in your opinion?

That seems quite straightforward to me. Obviously, chaplains aren’t going to be allowed to undermine the fighting ability of their corps, regardless how deeply convinced they are that you’re going to go straight to hell if you drop those bombs. I don’t see how you could dispute that. Not only it’s not utter drivel, it seems self-evident to me.

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I remember at school there was a group calling itself the MaCPagans(I went to Macalester College in St. Paul MN).

I even met one of their members who was quite enthusiastic about it and said she was so glad to be able to go to a school where she could say “I’m a pagan” and not have problems.

I honestly thought if I really was a follower of the of ancient religions I’d be insulted by such a group.

“Pagans” didn’t call themselves “pagan” anymore than Muslims call themselves “Muhammadans” or Jews call themselves “Christ killers”. Those terms were insults used by their enemies.

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Just like you did in your previous post, you’re making up stuff here. There’s no anger. I simply pointed out that your description of a military chaplain’s mission is incorrect. You’re misguided.

Now you’re full-on into WONJCT.

I see no reason to believe the latter part of this statement. The rest of your post is more WONJCT.

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That’s not what the purported PsyOps poster posted above.

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For the confused (like me):

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:confused:

Edit: Oh. Thank you, Der Trihs.

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Any historical examples of this? American chaplains (of whatever religion) who, out of religious conviction, encouraged soldiers to disobey orders, and refuse to take part in an armed conflict…?

I suspect Mr. Aquino is right in claiming that that sort of behavior would be, ahem, strongly discouraged.

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Spam reported.

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Pretty much.
Your counter proposal is valid: if a chaplain actively attempted to persuade members of the military from participating in a war, he would be ushered out of the service very quickly.

However, the “three missions” nonsense is, indeed, utter drivel. To be a “mission,” something must be an active declaration of the duties of a position. None of those three points are accurate. The military does not put them before chaplains as a goal. The military provides no texts or manuals on how chaplains should conduct themselves in order to carry out those three “missions,” (and the military creates manuals for everything sort of the direction to wipe).

It is nothing more than something made up to pretend to have some arcane knowledge of what the military and its chaplains “really” do.

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There’s a reg.

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mos 11b/56a

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I did a little checking, and if the poster that revived this thread is indeed Michael A. Aquino, then any claims he’s made about his background are pretty much accurate.

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There was a period when my buddy and I would change our religious affiliation every 2 months or so mostly so we could flirt with the cute redheaded YN2 and get new dogtags. Oh, and fight the system too. It seems we were the only Zen Baptists, Apathists, and Frizbetarians in the Coast Guard.

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Now that you bring it up…

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Well, it’s nice to see that our *mythology *has been ensconced in military guidebooks. sigh

^Not a single word of that is literally, historically true. It’s mythically true, but not historically true. The rest of it is accurate enough for a Chaplain to make sure that his Wiccan soldiers have the tools and times for the practice of their religion (although they are missing a great deal of The Wiccan Rede), but the history and origins is pure hokum.

What does the Guide for Catholicism say, I wonder?

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Hilarious. Someone should send 'em a copy of Triumph Of The Moon…

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I’m not particularly surprised by the “drivel” reaction, because for conventionally religious individuals those three functions are emotionally essential. Just as importantly it is taboo to state them outright for obvious reasons; their “cold practicality” dispels exactly the compassionate, benevolent image which is required to perform them successfully. Nor is there anything the least “arcane” about them: As I said originally, it’s easy for anyone who understands the warfighting mission of the armed services to realize. All three functions are necessary when you have services composed of conventionally religious people, that’s all.

I say again: I didn’t bring this up to upset conventionally religious individuals for whom the COC is something in which you need to believe and trust. If it relieves your and your family of emotional distress, that’s indeed part of what it’s supposed to do. :slight_smile:

But the question of this thread, as I read it, has to do with whether the COC can function for non-conventional religions, and that’s why I brought up those three functions. Caveat here that there are some NC religious systems in which individual morality and responsibility also defer to priestly/ministerial authority, in which case [assuming you can find compliant chaplains] the three functions roll right along.

As soon as you get into intensely individualistic and/or initiatory metaphysical systems in which there is no abrogation of personal moral or ethical responsibility, however, functions #1 & #2 evaporate and function #3, as it is dependent upon them, becomes nothing more than a formality.

Look, the name of this forum is “The Straight Dope”, which presumably implies looking behind appearances and facades. Among Anton LaVey’s more whimsical rituals in the old Church of Satan was one entitled “The Madness of Andelsprutz”: a psychodrama in which the inmates of an insane asylum select the craziest among them as the most suitable for return to outside society. He is then presented with a variety of necessary survival tools, including “a magnifying glass for detecting imperfections and a can of black spray paint for instantly covering up inconvenient imperfections”. So if you are so inclined, spray away! :smiley:

Michael A. Aquino
Lt. Colonel, PSYOP, USA-Ret

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I had many a chuckle with Gordon Melton about some of the “histories” he was painfully trying to represent respectfully, and poor old Wicca was definitely a Roger Rabbit cartoon spin.

Back in the 60s it first showed up over here through Ray Buckland, the chief proponent of what was generally termed “Gardnerian Wicca”, being the blend of white witchcraft formulated and espoused by the Englishman Gerald Gardner (1884-1964 CE). After his retirement from the Malayan customs service in 1936, Gardner became increasingly interested in current occult movements. He advanced to the VII° of Aleister Crowley’s O.T.O., but, according to Francis King, he finally decided that he preferred primitive paganism to Masonic/Tantric symbolism. King commented:

“He accordingly hired Crowley, at a generous fee, to write elaborate rituals for the new ‘Gardnerian’ witch-cult and, at about the same time, either forged or procured to be forged the so-called Book of Shadows, allegedly a 16th-century witches’ rule book but betraying its modern origins in every line of its unsatisfactory pastiche of Elizabethan English.” - The Rites of Modern Occult Magic, 1970

King further observed that Gardner’s version of Wicca was heavily sadomasochistic, with scourging and ritual sex incorporated into the ceremonies and most particularly the “Great Rite” between a coven’s high priest and priestess. I can just see this in an Army post chapel. :eek: :smiley:

It occurs to me that Gardner could just have stuck around the O.T.O. a little longer, because it’s at the VIII° that all the ritual sex really kicks in. :smiley:

Over the years I’ve known a great many witches, Wiccans, and neopagans generally. A few nincompoops, but mostly good, decent, and sensitive people. It’s certainly become less kinky, more mellow, and impressively ecological. Indeed one of its advantages is precisely that it is not shackled to some crazy historical mythology, but has the latitude and flexibility to be a modern, progressive construct. It can take inspiration from many different polytheistic models around the world, incorporating the best and discarding the dingdong. Mainstream/conventional religions are generally stuck with their oddities: virgin births, talking bushes, whatever. :wink:

My favorite witch continues to be my good friend Lara Parker, who showed the world why it’s not a good idea to annoy a witch, even if you’re a vampire. I’ve just reviewed her latest book here. :smiley:

Michael Aquino

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See, now THAT’S a HISTORY! :smiley: