Mighty Girl, I’m with you.
If this were a piece being put out in the marketplace, I might see the value in these criticisms. As it is? It’s just interfering with what I find to be an informative, as well as entertaining, series of stream of consciousness dialogs.
If you don’t enjoy it, don’t read it, and leave it to those of us who do.
Self indulgent? Isn’t the entire SDMB self indulgent or do you really believe that Cecil is working away at a desk, fightin’ ignorance and making the World a Better Place?
What are you, the Lord High Editor of Pit threads? Who cares if Mary Tudor and Jodie are irrelevant?–to some they may be highly relevant.
I think you just couldn’t follow it and got frustrated. Can happen to anyone. Most don’t blame the author for their lack of understanding. Or, what Mighty Girl said.
Perfect.
FTR, I enjoyed it quite a bit.
Also FTR, my terse “no” reply to Richard Parker’s question of whether he would understand it if he read it would have been better expressed (and less snarky, sorry to snark in your thread, Sampiro) if I had typed, “Why don’t you read it and decide for yourself?” Sorry also to Richard for that, it was uncalled for.
God almighty are you still posting here? Am I the only person who sees the irony that somebody so obsessed with the asides and rambling of my writing has made this into an 80+ post thread that has NOTHING to do with ANY of the things I was rambling about?
You (CarnalK) have called me verbose and unfunny and irrelevant and neurotic and whatever else, so for the rest of this I’m not going for eloquence, allusion, wit, or whatever, just clarity and concision and sincerity.
Well, fuck concision. That’s never been my strong point. In fact I can guarantee this will be long. BUT, I will be as to the point as possible in addressing your points and try to abstain from digressions.
In fact, I’ll make it really easy for you: if you don’t want to read the whole thing, then whatever pithy ‘ultimate point’ I decide upon I’ll put at the end in Bolded Red so you can skip right to it. And if there’s a penultimate point, I’ll put that in Bolded Blue so you can read that one too, and I promise I’ll keep 'em short.
*I honestly do not care what you think of my writing. Contrary to what you might thing, I never have. I’m not insulted when you criticize it and I’m not flattered when you compliment it, I just don’t care.
*I honestly do not care what you think of me. I never have. [see above]
*I am irked by your feeling that you need to share your opinions, especially since your comments are usually clearly meant to antagonize and bait, particularly considering our past history. Perhaps it’s a grudging respect on your part for the fact that I’m one of maybe 3 or 4 Dopers who doesn’t pretend you don’t run a snarkpit and doesn’t particularly give a damn about the requests by some mods not to mention it (especially after others have written to thank me for it as they didn’t want to address it themselves), but if so—see “I don’t care”---- and I would like for you to stop it.
*Re: my neurosis. I’ll freely admit I have issues, not that I need to admit it. I wish you would do the same. I also happen to think that, when the checks have all cleared, I’m a pretty okay rational decent person. I’m self-supporting, I don’t go out of my way to make people feel bad, I don’t try to make others feel inferior and I don’t (here’s a good straight line for you) feel superior to most others. I have some talents and wit that I’m proud of and I have gaps of knowledge and ability you could slide Alaska through with room leftover for the Osm… [alright, I promised no celebrity references] and most people are the same way.
*Regarding my editor’s comments: believe it or not, I don’t post on this message board in hopes of getting a 12 book deal- this is a message board, babe. You have NEVER READ my “real” writing. The most you’ve read is an extemporaneous rough draft of something I might eventually and continually and laboriously edit into my “real” writing. Perhaps you or other Dopers spend days trying to get one good page of material before posting in hopes this will be your literary Schwabs soda counter, but I post here because I like talking to most other Dopers, and to paraphrase somebody somewhere your criticism of its lack of being worth publishing “Not only don’t make good sense, shit, it don’t even make good nonsense”. That’s about like saying to a guy who just told a joke on the subway “I can’t believe you think you can be a professional stand-up comedian with that material”.
*To me you are the mentally unbalanced one. I have hobbies that do not involve making fun of/mocking/deliberately provoking/saying insanely mean spirited things about other people or facilitating the ability for others to do so as well. Simply put, well adjusted and or happy and or… just generally decent human beings DON’T OBSESS OVER MAKING BITCHY COMMENTS ABOUT OTHERS C-O-N-S-T-A-N-T-L-Y! It’s not just sadism but particularly pathetic sadism.
I’m not blameless, I don’t exonerate myself or make excuses for times I’ve erred on the above. I have engaged in exchanges on this board with other Dopers. Usually I was either provoked or irked or just in a bitchy mood- that’s an explanation, not an excuse. I’ve said things I shouldn’t have- in this thread even-
Liberal, I apologize and take back what I said about you being a stupid Fundie- I do not think of you as either (not that there’s anything wrong with that). I was an asshole to make that comment, and in fact I have laughed out loud at many of your posts [in a good way] even when I disagreed with it and whatever I think of your beliefs you didn’t come by them unthinkingly.
(PS- Liberal actually knows how to make funny snark. (I hope he doesn’t waste in anonymously elsewhere.)
So to repeat, I’m not as nice a guy as I could be. At least I feel guilty when I do it not that this excuses it. (Hell, I felt guilty for making a fat joke about DiosaBellisima in one thread, but being fat myself and having posted enough pics that Dopers know it I felt I had some leeway.)
But if I’m lying please show me where and how when I say that I have NEVER EVER gone OUT OF MY WAY to hurt or antagonize or insult somebody who has NEVER DONE ME A MOMENT’S HARM (and writing posts that you think are too verbose does not equal harm). You do. You have a whole goddamned board that exists solely for the purpose of allowing people to do this and the vast majority of them anonymously.
Do you ever say anything constructive? Do you ever go out of your way to make people laugh when it’s not at somebody else’s expense (or even sometimes when it’s at your own? Do you have nobody in your life that it makes you feel good to do nice things for without any expectation of reward? Can you ONLY find pleasure in criticizing others? I’ll admit it’s annoying when somebody who’s never met you tries to psychoanalyze you but when the book’s cover is all you see then that’s what you have to judge it by (or, as he who is up in heaven now observed, “be careful what you pretend to be, because you are what you pretend to be.”
*Since you and others have accused me here and elsewhere of dragging them in any way even though I really don’t any more except ‘in passim’, I might as well drag in my family here. “My dead Mother”™®© was a crazy old bitch, but that’s not all she was- frankly I was glad when the “crazy old bitch” died, but the other part of her- the major part- the woman who spent more than half a century caring for other people selflessly and hurdling obstacles “no merciful God would allow” and building up the self esteem of others when her own was in the sewers- that person I’ll mourn forever. “My crazy multimillionaire fundamentalist sister” ™ is a first order nutcase who drives me fucking bonkers, but that’s not all she is- she’s also a kind and generous person who doesn’t really intend anybody any ill will.
The reason I mention this is that their two extremes are why I continue to love them both dearly even when at times I’ve not been able to stand the sight or sound or mention of them- there’s more to them. With you- I see no more. Sometimes you’re an asshole and sometimes you’re neutral, and that’s your only standard deviation. It not only makes you, when all the checks have cleared, a “bad person” in my book, but it makes you boring.
*Speaking once more of my family, you may have noticed- others may have noticed- that I’ve basically stopped writing about them on this board.
In the past few weeks alone
-“My crazy multimillionaire fundamentalist sister” ™ and I were having major fights over money/house issues related to my mother’s estate that she (for reasons passing understanding- it seemed a good idea at the time) is executrix of, and I had just made my point to her that I am a moral and responsible enough person to be trusted and respected with my inheritance, when she found part of my gay porn stash in a 130 year old family Bible, and I was actually able to talk my way out of it and make her laugh
-I attended a family reunion where a relative in a jumpsuit led a mass prayer for a dog his son-in-law had castrated
And many other things, those are just the two that came to mind as “this would be good Dope material”. TRUST ME, it’s NOT LACK OF MATERIAL for melodrama, true-absurdism and humor that has made me stop posting.
It’s because I’m tired of the shit-storm. I’m tired of the implication of you and other snarkers and not just on the snarkpit but here on the Dope as well that I’m “whoring” my family for laughs and thus undeserving of sympathy when something really bad happens. It’s just not worth it to me, so I stopped. Consider this my own “olive branch” to you.
Is it too much to ask that you just leave the threads I do start ALONE rather than give your unwanted/unneeded/non-insightful/trolling opinions?
*Regarding that “one notable exception” where I threatened you, yes, that day I was nuts. I’ve explained what happened. I apologized- sincerely. You accepted my apology. It happened eighteen. Fucking. Months. Ago. To use your own words “YOU REALLY NEED TO GET A GRIP!”
Every culture that exists or ever has existed or hopefully ever will exist has had as its basis some variant of the Rule of Reciprocity. It’s because it’s a brilliant litmus test of human behavior. To quote my favorite moving-anecdote-that-I’ve-no-doubt-never-really-happened-so-no-need-Snopesing-it “Do unto others that which you would have done unto you and do not do unto others that which you would not have done unto you and the rest is commentary”. That one (admittedly long) sentence is a guide to how to live your life in a nutshell- the rest is commentary.
I try to hold to this ideal. I am not a perfect person- in fact I’m pretty fucking flawed in many regards- I don’t always succeed. I’ve said and done things that I wish I had not and that I wish I could take back. I live with it, I vow to do better, I apologize when I can. I don’t acquit or exonerate myself of my doings. But I do at least try.
I don’t apologize for what I said about Jodie Foster because anybody with bat brains knows that it wasn’t intended to hurt her. There is no conceivable way it could hurt her. She’s a gazillionaire movie star whose stunning looks and brilliance I’ve commented on many times before and I’m pretty sure in her life (which included a president being shot by a psycho with her name attached) she has dealt with a bit more shit and even take a helluva lot more flak over her lesbianism than a guy she’s never met, probably never will meet, and whose opinion doesn’t mean a damned thing to her making an absurd joke about her in a thread that had nothing to do with her. To try and equate this with “I hope the bitch dies a long lingering death for my amusement” that one of your people said about me when I was spending nights on an ICU floor watching the person I loved most battle a deadly disease that we had been told was going to leave her a helpless mindless totally dependant vegetable but only after months of excruciating pain and hopeless dignity robbing treatments (thanks be to whatever Power governs that she instead went quickly [and belligerent to her dying day- she could be/was a crazy bitch, but at her best sweet Jesus what a right broad she was])
To make that comparison, THAT is either pathetic or insane.
It isn’t just about me. To compare my OBVIOUSLY JOCULAR (whether successfully so or not) comment about an actress who’ll never read it [and if she did then, having graduated with honors from an Ivy League school and having won multiple Oscars and being fluent in a variety of languages, I’m relatively certain her self-esteem could take it) to such “harmless” snark as-
*Wishing violent death on transsexual Dopers, not just on your own board but ON THEIR OWN WEB PAGE COMMENT SECTIONS
*Rejoicing when certain Dopers lament and, God forbid, actually seek sympathy and encouragement over money problems/health problems/marital problems (for, y’know, that stuff only happens to losers- no intelligent people have ever had money problems)
*Tossing the words fag and nigger around- all in relation to specific Dopers
*Harassing Dopers with PMs and emails
And while I am not saying that you personally did all these things, you most DEFINITELY associate with them, proudly, defend your association with them, and are not just a poster there. Whether you sling the chicken shit or not you “[keep] the next where the egg is hatched*” for those who do, and fuck the SDMB policy of not naming the other site, because it is 100% relevant to these message boards and if nobody else will call your ass out on that shit then I am 100% willing to do so.
I can tolerate stupid people. I can tolerate people I vehemently disagree with. I can tolerate almost anybody and do it with a smile, but at 41 I’m just too goddamned old and too goddamned secure with myself to pretend to tolerate people I just cannot fucking stand and to smile and nod when said person enters a room.
CarnalK, long post short, you’re a shitty person. The rest is commentary. You have nothing better to contribute to this board or, Based solely on my experience and knowledge of you (and I would LOVE to find out I’m wrong- perhaps you knit doilies for homeless kittens in your spare time, though I’m guessing you don’t) I label you and others like you as offensive, I charge that you have nothing of great benefit to offer of yourself to any group other than your absence, and that is the easiest thing to give and thus it is the one thing I ask of you.
To summise it all, by my standards only (I speak for nobody else)
CarnalK, you’re a shitty person. All the rest is commentary.
Final mutterings: I’m now back to writing about the Wheeler Corps campaigns of 1863, which is actually what my “real writing” at the moment is on.
As for my book, just in case anybody reads to this point (in which case- sorry) I haven’t had time to work on it for the past few months but will after next week and plan on sending it out soon and would, for shits and giggles, love to share and get your opinion on the “cover mockups”. I plan to use one or the other as homepage for an accompanying web-site [with secure PDFs of additional chapters in case agents/publishers wish to read more]). Both need work, but which general idea do you like better- one or two (and obviously it won’t say Sampiro).
*As some of you I’m sure know, that’s a reference to Edwin Stanton’s comment on Mary Surratt, but I promised not to make allusions, other than here obviously.
I’ll check in tomorrow to see if there any replies and then ask the thread be closed. Til then, g’night and have a pleasant tomorrow.
Well, you don’t have to worry about me then, because I don’t do that.
FFS, am I really the first Doper ever to criticize a rambling OP? All I said was that stuff you added to your story was really annoying, with the the Jodie Foster thing being especially “WTF?”. I don’t see why you have to bring up all this personal stuff and act like I’m a hate mongering shit.
Originally posted by Sampiro
So THIS is why I don’t see your writing very much around here anymore. Just for that, I figure I owe CarnalK a good rogering with a syphilitic porcupine.
Belly up to the bar, cowboy. This here porcupine’s name is Bubba. He’s meaner than you, but not by much. He enjoys long walks on the beach and little umbrellas in his drinks. Bend the fuck over.
I like 1 more.
Darn it, Sampiro, I miss the good stuff. Look, there’s a little feature here called ‘ignore’. I’d like you to pay attention to it, for your own blood pressure. Use it. Love it. Twit is just trolling the hell out of you, and you’re letting him win. That bit right there where you said you don’t post about family anymore? Yep. That gave him a chubby.
He got a chubby over you. He wants you, you know. He wants to be you and to have you. And he can’t. So he’s just jealous.
Fuck the catty queen in the corner. Or rather, unfuck him, George Carlin style. He’s boring, and he’s only got one trick. Snarkpit doesn’t matter. It’s nothing, these days except a bunch of people going ‘No U’ and ‘STFU NOOB’. Doesn’t even come up to the level of literacy of Something Awful.
You have yourself a great day. Do your best for your friend. I still say a ‘7 on your Side’ news crew could have a heck of a good time with ‘The Charity that was a Scrooge… on Christmas.’
Definitely number one. It’s got that whole Six Feet Under meets The Church Lady’s and Aunt Bea’s potluck written all over it…
I’m not in the least worried about Sampiro’s blood pressure. Only losers snipe and snark about others anonymously. Funny how many people never seem to really leave middle school. Snarkpit sounds like a junior high cafeteria.
Keep writing, Jon–not here, perhaps, but keep writing. All this is just so much noise-don’t let it distract you.
Your opinion about the OP has been noted. Any chance of you shutting up about it now?
This is completely ridiculous. Sampiro pretends that it’s “not just at the snarkpit”? Bullshit. If the guy didn’t obsess over the place and constantly read any mention of his name he’d easily be able to forget about it.
I haven’t interacted with Sampiro for fucking four months and that’s the only time for over a year. The time before that it was when I accepted his apology. But I’m afraid he’s the one that seems to have forgotten about it, since it consisted of:
So now suddenly, it is all my fault once again. Oh well, the leader has changed his mind. Time for the fan club to start a lynching.
eta: Oh, there’s that style you were talking about, Miller.
CarnalK? You want Sampiro all to yourself. Admit it. You wouldn’t chase him so much if you weren’t hanging on his every word.
I guess that’s a “no,” then. Disappointing, but hardly surprising.
I don’t chase him at all; did you read my post? Do your own little search if you don’t believe me. I wasn’t going to respond but that darned stylish Miller used his reverse psychology on me.
Simple minds are easy to influence, alas.
Look, I am came in and made a literary criticism, which may have been a little shitty. But then Sampiro and his fan club come charging back and heap personal scorn on my head. If you honestly think an objective reader wouldn’t see you as some petty bitches, Miller and crew, then you ain’t too good at self reflection.
I thought personal scorn was what folks like you were all about. It’s that the entire raison d’etre for your SDMB-related side-project?
I’m not going to bother continuing some bitchy back and forth with you, Miller. I think my posts 91 and 96 say all that’s left for me to say.
Okey doke. Plenty of posters have tried to explain things to you with no avail. You want to be stubborn on this? Fine.
I don’t generally attack other posters even when I think they deserve it because there are people here who do it better than I. I’ve never been to the other board because from what I gather about it, it well could be the stupidest place on the net. That includes timecube. Who in their right mind would open up a place to bitch about posters on another message board when there’s a perfectly good place to do it here? Oh, right. Because in the pit, most of these people would have their ass handed to them I suspect. Go forth and revel in your little treehouse club. Big deal.
Originally posted by CarnalK
Literary criticism, my ass. You don’t like his writing, fine. We ALL GET THAT NOW. You made your point months ago. I like Sampiro. He’s a pretty good guy. Calling me part of a “fan club”? Mkay. Using it like an insult is about as powerful coming from you as a wad of mashed potatoes shot from the slingshot of someone with bad aim. You calling us petty bitches…that can stand on it’s own. It is to laugh.
As for apologies, you don’t seem to understand that they are as good as the length of time it takes you to do something that erases it. That could be a day, it could be four months. Doesn’t matter.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you may be a total prince of a guy in real life, so no personal scorn here, but damn if you don’t perpetrate a total asshole on this subject, so I attack the words I see on the screen that have your handle attached to them. Back the fuck off and let the rest of us who were perfectly happy with the thread be that way. It is not for you to show us the error of our ways.
Sampiro is among those I consider my pet posters in the same vein as you consider him to be…whatever the polar opposite of that is. So when you act like being part of the fan club is ridiculous, understand that it is as ridiculous for you to stand on the other end of the spectrum.
Sampiro, your friend can file a complaint with the EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) for free.
There’s no need to get a lawyer. The EEOC will investigate his complaint for free. Your friend won’t have to expend a lot of energy “fighting” - the EEOC will do all the footwork after the initial complaint.
He can discuss his former employer’s violations of the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act), FMLA (Family Medical Leave Act), and possiblily the FLSA (Fair Labor Standards Act - may or may not apply based on his friend’s job classification), and other laws I may not be familiar with.