Parental Influence

I wrote a REALLY long post, but decided to delete it in favor of brevity. Let me see if I can get my point across without writing a novel this time.

How much influence do you think a parent/guardian has on a child, and how long-lasting is it? For instance, my parents raised me to be politically liberal and atheist. I’m practically a socialist I’m so far left, but I’m no longer an atheist. I haven’t lived with my parents for four years now (I’m 21) - has their influence begun to wear thin? Will their teachings and morals eventually erode away to the point that I will have to make entirely new decisions about what I believe? The “I” I’m using here is a hypothetical me, I don’t actually expect you to answer all of my inner questions.

As a child grows up, do the morals and lessons a parent teaches remain with them forever? Or is it possible to chuck those teachings entirely?

I started wondering about this after reading all those gay threads here in GD. I was raised to believe that being gay was perfectly normal and acceptable, and I can’t even comprehend the thought-processes that would deem it otherwise. But could that somehow change? Are my parents’ values permanently imprinted on my brain? I’m especially interesting in hearing from those who claim to “love the sinner, hate the sin.”

If you think this post was long, you should have seen the last one. Well, not really.


~Harborina

“Don’t Do It.”

Certainly your parents have some effect on you. I think the level of effect would have something to do with how well you’re able to think for yourself.

Interestingly, the influence can often work against the parents if they come on too strong. If daddy hates Mexicans, guess who daughter is going to marry? If the parents are hardcore witch-hating Christians, guess who’s going to convert to Wicca?


“Honey we’re recovering Christians.”
–Tori Amos - In the Springtime of his Voodoo

My parents are both staunch republicans, and for the most part I’m a bleeding-heart commie pinko. They both have professions in the field of science, and while I didn’t particularly mind my 100-level biology courses, that’s as far as I’m going to go with it. However, I think my moral code is somewhat similar to theirs, and we have several common interests. So I’d say that mostly I’m a different person from my parents, but we’re similar enough that we don’t kill one another when we’re together for an extended period of time.

I think a lot can depend on the relationship you have. In my case my parents and me don’t get along well. As I got older I disapproved of the things they did. I do almost everything different naturally even issues that never came up such as pro-choice Vs right to life. Mom never aired an opinion and was surprised to find out mine was different. So their influence is still strong because I do things differently because of them. How long will it last? I dont know but I’m 30 and still feel it.


Keep smiling it makes 'em wonder what you’ve been up to.

Parents influence on a child can come in many forms. It can come from the attention they pay to their children, or lack of it. It can come from the moral teachings or lack of those. I think it is truly a shame when parents fail to realize just how important they are in forming the ideas and ideals of their children, and ultimately a future generation. I think most people with time and wisdom, look back on their childhood and the teachings of their parents and sort of pick and choose what jives with all the other aspects of their lives. People learn life lessons everywhere, but many of them are learned at young ages in the home. I try to relate to my children on their level, while at the same time trying to bring them to my level, so they understand the realities and the concept of adulthood, without having to really brunt the hard stuff. In other words, they are kids, but they are not clueless. All I can do is hope I raise them right, and that, even if I do make mistakes, they are able to learn from them as well.


I’ll buy that for a dollar.

Despite some recent attempts to argue that parents have far less impact than peer groups (see The Nurture Assumption by Judith Rich Harris if you really must), I do believe that parents greatly influence their children, though not always in the ways they would want. Certainly, enormous parts of personality are inborn – anyone who has two children will tell you how amazed they are that there can be so much variation between offspring of the same parents – and circumstances and peers do have an effect. But I’m of the opinion that parents are able to shape many things about how children react to and deal with their innate predelictions and their interactions with others.

Humans are social animals; it is nearly impossible for an individual to survive in isolation. Our very survival, throughout our species’ existence, has been dependent on interactions with other individuals – on understanding their motives and desires, on figuring out ways to get them to do things beneficial to us, on doing things for others in order to obligate them to reciprocate, etc. These are extremely complex cognitive tasks, tasks for which humans have an instinct, but tasks that do have to be learned (much like language). One of the reasons for the comparatively long juvenile period in humans is the need for children to learn their way around in social interactions, and they do this, especially in their early years, by watching carefully the adults they are closest to: their parents.

However, the instinct for observing and understanding behavior allows kids to be very good at sorting out the ideas and practices that their parents genuinely believe and follow from those to which the parents only pay lip service. Say whatever you want – your kids are watching what you do, and learning how to behave from that. If there’s sufficient dissonance between the parents’ words and deeds, the kids will often learn contempt for both the parents and their words.

I realize that the argument from personal experience is nearly useless scientifically, but I think it can be instructive, so long as its understood that it is merely one datum that may or may not be characteristic of the universe of possibilities. I do not recall every having been told by my parents that education is important. Very likely they did say so to me, but it made no impression. However, I have taken it for granted, for as long as I can remember, that education is of paramount importance. Why? My opinion is that it had much to do with the fact that my father drove 100 miles round trip three or four nights a week for much of my childhood to take courses at the nearest community college, with the fact that we moved at least twice so that he could advance to the next step in his pursuit of an education, and with the fact that during my junior high years he was enrolled at a major university, studying every night, until he graduated at the age of 38. I sometimes wonder if his example didn’t make the point rather too well: while he got a very technically specialized degree related to his profession, I became one of those “education for its own sake” liberal arts types, graduating from one well regarded private college and beginning a Ph.D. program in literature at another before bailing out into the world of work. My education has served me admirably and I’m very glad I took the path I did, but it was definitely not what my parents had in mind when they thought about their kids going to college.

In many other ways, having reached nearly the age at which my father graduated from college, I find that there are few of my values that cannot be in large measure ascribed to my parents: tolerance (surprising tolerance, in a pair of rural Southerners from the sharecropping classes), altruism, diligence and a strong work ethic, and a belief in the importance of good parenting. Often, these values are manifested in ways very different from the ways in which they are expressed in my parents, but the underlying values are very similar. I do not know that I would have said the same thing at 21, or even at 26 (ten years ago for me now). Then, I’d have placed much more emphasis on the apparent differences and downplayed the likenesses – and I really did run off in a lot of directions that would have appalled them had they known about them (living 700 miles away and being too broke to fly makes it easy to conceal a lot). Didn’t Mark Twain write about believing at age 14 that his father was so stupid that it was a miracle he remembered to breathe, and then being amazed at age 21 that the old man had learned so much in seven years?

I do consider myself fortunate in having had parents whom I still respect and admire. We are different people, to be sure, but much of what I like about myself I am certain is a result of their efforts. Many things about my parents’ lives I have rejected – their religion (I have converted to Judaism), their place of residence (I never much cared for Arkansas), their zeal for collegiate sports (give me baseball or give me a book), their decidedly middlebrow and lowbrow tastes in nearly everything (I am a recovering snob in most things, though I have areas where I haven’t even started to recover), etc. Nevertheless, I do consider myself fortunate in having had parents whom I respect and admire. We are different people, to be sure, but much of what I like about myself I am certain is a result of their efforts.



“Ain’t no man can avoid being born average, but there ain’t no man got to be common.” –Satchel Paige

Parents are the most influencial “nurturing”
element in a childs life, assuming they are “there” to be an influence, and that what they say and what they do coincide with each other.

Later on, as you hopefully enter the critical thinking stage, the story changes a little bit. If for example your parents were republicans, who concentrated on all things that most would consider stereotypically “negetive” republican issues, you may reject republicanism all together. Where as if they concentrated on the generally considered positive republican attributes, you might very well too. Of course parents who exhibit critical thinking will be an important factor in you ever being able to reach the “critical thinking” stage.

Unfortunatly many people never make it to this stage, and get stuck in conservatism or liberalism or any mode of belief, for all the wrong reasons.