Anecdotal evidence re NYC:
Major Strasser: Are you one of those people who cannot imagine the Germans in their beloved Paris?
Rick: It’s not particularly my beloved Paris.
Heinz: Can you imagine us in London?
Rick: When you get there, ask me!
Captain Renault: Hmmh! Diplomatist!
Major Strasser: How about New York?
Rick: Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn’t advise you to try to invade.
Wiki is fine as long as the cite isn’t controversial. True, sometimes a link to a peer-reviewed footnoted article from Google Scholar is what is needed.
I have a friend who was head of maintenance and new construction for public housing units somewhere in Virginia. He says that, at one time, he and his crew were ordered to install new steel doors on every apartment in the projects, to keep residents safe.
Then, a few months later, after cops complained to the city (the steel doors meant cops couldn’t break into apartments to make arrests), he and his crew had to go back and remove all the steel doors.
Pizza places have private ownership. The owners have every right to refuse to deliver to any address. The cops are there to serve the public.
There was a fire in my town that killed four people. The owners were housing illegal aliens in the basement, and had taken the stairs out to make more sleeping space, leaving the cellar door the only means of escape. The fire broke out at the door and trapped them. They were housing illegal aliens in an illegal rental and four of them died.
The owners were on the news claiming it was the fire departments fault because they ignore requests from that part of town and took 25 minutes to get to the house. Rather interesting defense, since the fire department from two towns over had documented that they were there four minutes after the initial call.
But at the same time, they have no duty to protect individuals.
I would generally fall into the category of fire department and or police apologist in most threads, but this statement is either very poorly parsed or complete bullshit.
Firefighting response in town is going to be closer to that number assuming the place is within a mile or so of a fire station. Here in Fresno it averages more like 6-8 min for last I heard 28 stations covering. Usually they are pulling out of the station at about 2-3 min from dispatch.
Anything outside of the town in question is gonna be 15+ min out. There was an incident about a year ago where Clovis (which buts right up against fresno), had multiple structure fires working. Every Clovis piece of fire apparatus was on a scene. Another fire broke out a few min after the second fire was dispatched. It took 17 min for the nearest fresno station to reach it.
The whole point of such legalities are to prevent people from claiming being the victim of a crime is not the police departments fault. They are here to protect us and most cops do feel that way even if they are not held responsible for our individual day to day well being.
Actually, pizza places do **not ** have the right to refuse delivery, if such refusal is based on the recipient being a member of a federally protected class. Dominos had to reach a settlement several years ago with the Justice Deparment to revamp their delivery policies. The deal required Dominos to ensure that refusal to deliver was based on documented crime statistics, and not an assumption that certain (poor black) neighborhoods were more dangerous. Article.
Actually, you’re right. The evidence was that they left their station 4 minutes after the initial call. Considering the distance and the time of night, they would have been there no later than 15 minutes after the call. My City’s Fire Dept. was there about 4 minutes after the call.
The owners of the building were just trying to make it look like the death of the four people was the Fire Departments’ faults, which is complete bullshit and very very wrong. Our County has one of the lowest emergency response times in the country.
I wrote that very poorly. No, it was a good call all around. Both, in this case, were good reasons. I guess what I was saying, and shouldn’t have said because it was hijacking, is that I don’t think he would have been concerned if there would have been profit to be made. But I’ll stop now. You did get me, but I don’t want to hijack this anymore.