Trust me. You’d prefer the spirit
This is nonsense. :eek:
**
Be careful what you wish for… what’s left after that “natural selection” process that you so eagerly seem to embrace, may not be all that pleasant or entertaining a place to be apart of.
In fact, it could really suck.
I hope it doesn’t, because I’d stay and freely pay to be a part of it.
But if it turned into a group of homogenous ‘think like we do’ hug-a-thoners, then I doubt I’d stay.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens, because I’d like to stay.
Why, thank you so very much.
Without commenting TOO much on the poll…one thing a subscription would do is weed out the trolls. How many trolls would pay even the lowest amount mentioned for the privilege of posting 3 or 4 messages, which would likely be wiped out before the troll was spotted and banned? Hmmmmm? Particularly since those threads/posts would likely be deleted in a few hours?
Yep, we’d lose some people, and I’d really miss quite a few of them. We’d also lose about 99.99% of our troublemakers.
Lynn, could you give us any idea whatsoever of how much money you’d be talking about? I think that might calm down some hysteria.
$20- $50
There is a whole announcement explaining it at the top of the forums page.
Screw it, this is part of the evolution if the internet. One business model has failed, it’s time to pick up the pieces and try to make a profit.
Charge away.
I just hope you find a way to allow some people to post a subsidized amount. (not me btw…)
(damn, I sound like a liberal)
Where in blue blazes does it say 20-50?
Click there for more info.
Lynn, I agree with your point, and I posted on that earlier in the thread I started. And shoot - if someone wanted to register a sock each day, at $50 a pop, only to have them be banned the next…that could fund everything. Tres cool.
One thing though that came to mind - the SDMB would have to have some sort of new subscription agreement that was ironclad. I can imagine a sock-maker filing a nuisance lawsuit somewhere, sometime, after a couple of bannings, and that would do the entire Board in, right? Their gripe would have more weight if the Board was no longer free…
I did. I did the little survey thing, and I’m still not seeing a damn thing about how much money it would cost.
In the first sentence, andy. Right at the top of the page.
I give up.
It’s not that I’m not taking your word for it. But damned if I can find the thing, and I am looking exactly where you are pointing me.
*Originally posted by andygirl *
**I give up.It’s not that I’m not taking your word for it. But damned if I can find the thing, and I am looking exactly where you are pointing me. **
From the link in Anthracite’s post:
“We’re thinking about charging for the SDMB - probably in the range of $20-$50 per year.”
From the page: (everything included, in case your computer is not showing you everything)
We’re thinking about charging for the SDMB - probably in the range of $20-$50 per year.
Should we decide to move ahead with subscriptions, currently registered users will receive a substantial discount on their first year of service IF they pre-register by December 17th, 2001. To pre-register, fill out the form below and click on “Submit.” Pre-registrants are NOT obligated to pay at this time or to submit a credit card number, nor are they obligated to pay if and when we decide to begin charging a fee. Pre-registering merely makes you eligible for the charter subscriber discount. It’s possible we may offer another opportunity to pre-register at a later date, but we don’t guarantee it. We strongly urge you to pre-register now.
No doubt all this raises a few questions in your mind:
Why is a subscription fee necessary?
Operating the SDMB isn’t cheap. We have more than 18,000 registered users and a million-plus page views a week. Supporting that kind of traffic requires multiple communications lines, periodic hardware upgrades, and paid staff (Ed plus Jerry and his henchmen in the Chicago Reader IT department).
Have we considered alternatives?
You bet. Here are the options as we see them:
(1) Continue as we have and hope advertising picks up. Not likely, from what we can see. Online ad revenue has plummeted for everyone, including the biggest sites. The Chicago Reader has a full time ad sales staff that has tried everything it - and you - can think of. Maybe someday ads, sponsorships, etc., will be a big online revenue source. Right now they’re not.
(2) Shut down the site. We’re not eager to do this - we think the SDMB is one of the best message boards on the Web. The board does provide the Chicago Reader (the owner of the site) with intangible benefits - good will, online visibility, Web experience. The fact remains that it absorbs resources that could more profitably be put to other uses.
(3) Charge a fee. A number of well-known providers - the New York Times, Salon - have taken this approach. The proposed fee is modest. The board has become an important part of many SDMB users’ lives and we venture to say a lot of them will think it’s well worth the money.
We appreciate the offers of donations but don’t feel this is a long term solution. Should the SDMB switch to a fee basis, however, the Teeming Millions may wish to consider establishing a way for well-off members to subsidize the cost for those who can’t afford it.
If the SDMB goes to a fee basis, does that mean we won’t be able to ban troublemakers?
Nope. All subscribers will be expected to abide by the same rules as before. If anything subscriptions will reduce the number of problem children, since few are likely to pay for the privilege of being a pain in the neck.
Will there be a charge if I only want to READ the board?
No. “Lurking” will continue to be free, and for good reason - the board is its own best advertisement. We believe anyone who reads it for any length of time will become hopelessly addicted and sign up for the rest of their lives.
Will there be a charge to use other areas of the Straight Dope Web site?
We’re considering charging for access to the Straight Dope archives. Rates have not been determined. The current column, the past 52 weeks’ worth of columns, and selected “classic” columns will probably continue to be free. It’s likely that the SDMB subscription fee will include unlimited access to the archive.
If the SDMB starts charging, will the service improve? Some days it’s difficult or impossible to access the board.
Service should improve in both the short and long run. It’ll improve right away because, frankly, we’re likely to lose some members, causing a reduction in the demand on the system. (As it is, we think the software improvements implemented a few months ago have greatly enhanced performance.) Service quality should remain high over the long haul - the more members we sign up, the more resources we’ll have to devote to system upgrades.
Won’t a fee chase away worthy but impoverished posters?
The proposed fee is roughly what you’d pay for a magazine subscription. We think the number of people who truly can’t afford it is small. We believe the generosity of our members will allow genuine hardship cases to be accommodated.
What if the SDMB switches to subscriptions and only a few people subscribe?
That’s the big risk we face, and it’s one of the reasons we’re offering a charter subscriber discount - we’re trying to judge the depth of our market. Under the most optimistic scenario we expect the number of registered users to drop by two-thirds. The people who go away will be those who seldom or never post, leaving us with the five or six thousand users who post regularly. Culling non-participants in this way will have no impact on board activity. If, at the other extreme, nobody subscribes, our decision is easy - we shut down the board. What’s more worrisome is if, say, only 500 users subscribe. Board activity will drop noticeably and the SDMB won’t be as lively. We hope that won’t happen, but we won’t know until we try.
What if I can’t or don’t want to pay for the SDMB?
The pre-registration form includes a way to tell us you DON’T plan to subscribe. Don’t be shy about using it. We’d like to get an indication of what kind of dropout rate to expect.
How soon will a decision be made?
Probably within the next few months.
To repeat, pre-registration places you under no obligation, either now or later. It simply makes you eligible for a discount. (We sincerely hope you take us up on that discount if and when the time comes, of course.) Only one pre-registration is allowed per registered user and per computer. If two users sharing a computer both wish to pre-register, please e-mail SDMB administrator TubaDiva@aol.com with the relevant information.
If we get a healthy number of pre-registrations, that will encourage us to move forward. If we get very few, well, that tells us something too. We have as much fun running the SDMB as you do participating in it–most days, anyway–and right now this seems like the best way to keep it going.
<grits teeth>
The link in Una’s post takes me to the pre registration form.
Fuck it. I believe what you’re saying, it doesn’t matter.
Thank you, Una.
No problem, I figured that your browser was just acting up. That post I made was all it said, so you aren’t missing out on anything else.
Me too andygirl. I’ve been bewildered all morning by how much info other posters had.
Thanks Anthracite - things are clearer now.
30 some posts since July … I can live without this place.