Self-absorbed much? :rolleyes: And of course it’s ALL ABOUT RACINCHIKKI!
Allow me to reiterate - :rolleyes:
Nothing personal, racin. I’d have to actually care about you to dislike you enough to rejoice that YOU personally are leaving. But I don’t - I’m completely indifferent to you. The point I’m getting at is, while we may lose 50 real, genuine members, we still lose a million trolls. It’s a trade I’m willing to make.
Feel free to refer to my response to racinchikki.
Same goes for Nacho4Sara, all the minors, pepperlandgirl and anyone else who may or may not be offended by that post.
JillGat, “poor” is a relative term. Get out of your memmories, and turn an objective eye on this. When your back is to the wall, even a small extra burden is too much. That’s as true here as it is anywhere. Sure, we’re starting from a higher baseline. A far higher baseline, but even so, that little extra bit can be too much, and this board seems to attract smart people that have no slack left.
I’m sure you do. But if one can afford 34 cents for the stamp to pay the bill, surely one can afford 38 cents to post on the SDMB? Or is the extra 4 cents somehow a deal-breaker?
Come on, Jill, you’re smarter than that. I have done quite a bit of research into the Peace Corps, and plan on joining after college. In most African villages, I would be wealthy. $8 an hour would be a lot. In America, it is not. I make below the poverty line. I am POOR.
Thank you for bringing the poverty-stricken children of Africa into the argument, though. Excellent use of straw men. The African children certainly relate to this argument, just as the debate over whether you use seperate knives for PB and jelly or simply wipe in between use applies to this argument.
I forgot who saud it, but they were right. If this does go to a “pay to post” basis, this will turn into a dead bord. Sure there will be no trolls, but then there might not be new posts for days. It will be much like ATMB.
JillGatt – that’s pretty unfair of you. Yes it is all relative. We here all have some kind of internet access, be it home, school or work, so we are comparing this to a third world culture? That’s just poppy-cock in my eyes.
Many people that use the 'net use it as entertainment. Not everyone lives in plush homes and has the latest and greatest computer. Many may even have computers donated to them by family or friends. Many may live in conditions that you would think are bad for these here industrialized countries. But you are making a judgement based on your experiences.
In these United States and other countries, food is purchased using money, electricity costs money, heating costs money, clothing costs money, gas and your car cost money but that doesn’t mean that you should pull the “you should eat those brussel sprouts because of all the starving children in China” analogy.
Yeesh, that’s pretty fucked up if you ask me.
The issue at hand isn’t if Joe-Schmoo in Vietnam can afford to buy a hut from the rich land lord, this is about regular people who are struggling to make ends meet in this society and to have the SDMB go to pay really sucks for them because they enjoy the hell out of it and takes them away for a couple of hours and if they are forced to pay they will have to leave.
Not everyone drives a pretty Lexus, some drive pieces of shit cars that are constantly needing repair and suck more gas than that army tank I saw today. Many drive to the grocery store to buy all generic food and can’t afford produce because it’s too expensive – they live in an apartment so they can’t grow their own veggies and fruits, etc…I could go on.
I can’t believe the attitudes of some of you, egads, your priorities aren’t the same as everyone else on this board or in the world. Life isn’t the same for your nieghbor as it is for you.
Get off the “money shouldn’t be an issue” thing. Egads.
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“i worked in the peace corps and some people have no money at all. so to my conclusion, if you don’t pay for the SDMB because you “don’t have the money”, you are an arrogant white supremacist. the end.”
(Please don’t give me any crap about this being a strawman - it’s just sarcasm.)
Gosh, Silver, I’m sorry. See, there were some posts in that thread that WERE directed towards me personally. Pardon me for assuming yours was, too. Or don’t. Whatever.
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*Originally posted by Nacho4Sara * [ul][li]back-stabbing, bitchy comments like those from SilverFire;[/ul][/li][/QUOTE]
Oh my fucking GOD! HAHAHAHA!!! Back-stabbing? I don’t think that means what you think it means. Or you’re completely unbalanced. Either one. (I’ll freely and openly admit to being bitchy, though I maintain that my comment was not a personal attack against racinchikki.)
:shrugs:
In any case, you’ve honestly hurt my feelings. No really.
PayPal now has a dealie where you can shop anywhere using your paypal account. They assign a one-time-use MasterCard number for the transaction and the money comes out of your PayPal account.
Just a handy thing to think about if you worry about your CC# getting stolen online
Huh? What worth does your content have to them if it continues to be free? Right now your “content” * costs them money!! * To whom is that “fair”? How is it “fair” for them to * pay for you to add to their bandwidth costs * ? Please explain this to me, because I fail to see it.
Shayna, did you read the announcement? Do you read the business section? Do you follow the internet as a business? Ad space is going begging. You can’t * give * ads away in some places. Internet advertising has been shown to have extremely limited value.
And I’m shocked that you would accuse them of simply ** lying ** to you! Are you privy to the books?" Do you know what it costs to run this place, how hard they may have tried to sell that space, and for what price? Has the Chicago Reader and the staff of the SDMB *** ever ** * done * ** anything ** * that would justify your leaping to that conclusion? Unless there’s something I’m missing, all they’ve ever done “to” you is give you a social outlet you never would have had otherwise, and enabled you to meet the love of your life! FREE! How can you leap to such dastardly conclusions about them?
Must be you, Fenris, since I’m known for being intractable.
Reading more about the whole “pay to give the license” stuff, can anyone come up with a SINGLE instance in which the Reader has profited or even USED your writing for any purpose whatsoever? Don’t you think you are making a mountain out of a boilerplate molehill?
I think, before this debate goes any further, we need to settle one point.
If we give you $50 in membership fees, will we get a Chicago Reader coffee mug?
And another thing about this “pay to publish” rubbish (the more I think about it, the more ludicrous it becomes). If you all are so damn brilliant that you shouldn’t have to pay to be published…shouldn’t you also be so damn brilliant that you can scare up a million page views a week all by your lonesome, on your own dime?
I mean really, kids…get a little perspective!
If you want the audience for your brilliance, you’re going to have to pay for it. Get over yourselves.
stoid
PS: By the way, I am a writer. There have been many, many things I’ve refrained from posting here * precisely because I did not want to hand over the rights to that material to anyone else *. All my best stuff stays with me. I can’t believe this is the first time any of you have stopped to think about this fact.
Huh? What worth does your content have to them if it continues to be free? Right now your “content” * costs them money!! * To whom is that “fair”? How is it “fair” for them to * pay for you to add to their bandwidth costs * ? Please explain this to me, because I fail to see it.