I apologise to the other members of this MS - I know that I say I’m gonna stop feeding this troll (happy now peace? I’ve actually violated the rules of this board and outright accused you of being a troll); but the charter of this board is to fight ignorance…I hate the fact that I respond to him, but I’ve noticed that the disclaimer about his opinions only lasted for 24 hours.
IMHO, JDT was “cute” and “amusing” when compared with peace…
More Piece logic to enjoy and annoy.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=50343&pagenumber=1
Notice he has removed the signature that he promised us!
My personal favourites (or “Piece again demonstrating an amazing ability to put peoples health in jeopardy by stating a load of old cobblers as fact”):
Piece you are worse than worthless. You are in fact a liability to the human race. Grow up child.
Now a game. Can anyone spot the difference between this:
And these:
First one to answer correctly gets a wooden sheepdog.
I’m going to repeat myself.
ahem. And I quote:
and then, in his second to last post:
allow me to point out the obvious to our more myopic members
man, could this dude be as psychotic as he comes across? He said in an earlier post that he had kids, and I pray to the good Lord on Holy High he’s referring to some dead mice he keeps in his pocket.
jb
fuck you, Gaspode! Fuck you and your goddamned flying fingers of uberfast typing! I was robbed, I tells ya, robbed…
skulking away,
jb
Primaflora, I prefer off line sources as well. Tom asked me to prove that (biological) races exist. I thought that he he was not serious. So, I said “Races do not exist”, to make him happy. You, apparently, got it, Gaspode did not.
Then I decided to tell Tom how to learn about the races (maybe he was serious, after all?). “Classified info” was done tongue-in-cheek. Because I am not saying anything what is not widely known. Tom et al. constantly ask me to support what I say. I say nothing new, just widely known facts. All genetic markers research was done for different (than race) purposes. Race is very tangential and often irrelevant. Probably, this is a reason that it is not stated in scientific literature, the way I stated it here. But I know that blood bank literature has published numerous data on blood type frequencies in Blacks, Orientals, etc. With low probability, Reprise could make some race determinations based on blood types alone.
Reprise, I’m under the impression that you are getting drunk too often. When you are sober, answer my question, and I will answer yours.
As far as my “signature”: I use it if I post something, that can be construed as medical advice. So, since I thought that experimental race self-determination is not dangerous, I did not use it. It’s in my profile, anyway. But if you, guys like it so much that you are eager so see it several times a day no matter what, I’ll oblige…
peace
don’t kid yourself that suddenly you and I are in the same corner
wanker
Gaspode: I’m not surprised. Just check out my sig.
Jb, “Races do not exist” was out of desperation, I explained it to Primaflora. I regret that my emotions were lost in the webspace.
SERIOUSLY Nobody runs tests to determine a persons race. It would be expensive, irrelevant, etc. It’s easier to ask. Politically, it’s a matter of self-determination (see any government site). But if a Shmenese child needs a transplant, the compatible donor is more likely to be found among Shmenese population. That’s why I said that I do not need races, nor definitions, etc.
If races existed (now that you are done playing the “they do/they don’t” game), then you should be able to name them. (As long as that is not classified information, of course.)
How’s the weather in Ashtabula County?
Peace
Peace,
Please pull your head out of your ass, which I understand may be difficult. I too have trouble distinguising between your head and your ass. Now listen: The same considerations you keep demanding are the very same we are demanding of you.
You may have trouble telling the difference between those two things, also. Allow me to demonstrate, my legumoencephaletic friend. Main difference? Our considerations have been widely ignored, whereas you have been shown tremendous benefit of the doubt.
Don’t believe me? How’s about this:
your reason for not giving any type of cite, except for the odd pages you skanked up from a twenty second web search and briefly perused, or a link to a page which resembles the discussion in Dewey Decimel terms only? well, cuz “Because I am not saying anything what is not widely known.”
Yet you yourself admitted earlier: “Major, things which are self-evident to you, are not necessarily self-evident to me.”
You flaunt the rules of the message board, but turn around and try and dictate good behavior to other posters?
You engage in discussions, posing as an expert, and chide not only those who are the more likely experts (based on their posts and their claims) but also those who admit to knowing less about you? If you don’t know what I’m talking about, see your responses to Arjuna in the antenna and suicide threads.
You engage in debate without even reading previous poster’s posts!
Your evasion of questions and points is exactly fucking equivalent to “Hey, lookit that over there!” points, but guy just rolls his eyes
You expect us to eat up your words (oh, wait- I see the respoonse to this one already- "I expect nothing. Whatever is expected is expected by you, you and the Racists. I expect only expectations (if you’rre coinfused, see “prospect, opportunity, outlook, potential, hope”). Hey, lookit that over there!). But at the same time, you fucking basically accuse other posters of lying and making up references. So we have to trust your secret confidential done-in-your-other-name-which-is-world-famous-for-knowing-all-knowledge-everywhere-except-how-to-spell-Gaspode’s-name hints to cites, but you need a bloody fax from a woman’s OB/GYN until you believe the rest of us? Get the hell over yourself. You are, as the french would say, a “fucknut” (I of course translated it, but I do that for the rest of the readers here for their knowledge and enjoyment, not for you).
Why won’t you stop breathing?
Peace out,
jb
Trap you how? You insist that “race” is an objective reality. If this is so, we should have a pretty good idea of what “groups” can be identified as racial. If you are correct, there is no trap, only elucidation.
If, however, we have no list of groups that can be identified objectively as racial, then perhaps you ought to consider whether or not you have allowed your cultural perceptions to impose themselves on what you wish was an objective reality. I have no desire to “trap” anyone. I am not the poster who began playing games with my own assertions, this evening.
Prisbee: Okay, Mr. Doe. We’re done with the examination. I’d just like to ask you a few questions. First of all, do you know who the president is right now?
Peace: Well yes of “course”. You think George Bush is “president” but in actuality William Howard Taft is still president, only people don’t know “that” because the Government is trying to turn us all into Taftbots. Do not confuse your facts with opinions.
Prisbee: Okay, what is your name?
Peace: Haw haw. Like telling you my name will proof anything. I expected such treatment from a General Practiotionor.
Prisbee: I’m not a GP, I’m a fifth year med student.
Peace: Ha ha I thought so. Leave it to the “so-called” “experts” to diagnose and treat patients. Your stupidity abounds me.
Prisbee: How many fingers am I holding up?
holds up three fingers
Peace: Okay, ha ha ha I guess we agree on something.
doctor runs in with x-ray
Doctor: My god, Prisbee! I’ve never seen anything like this! His logic centers have been completely obliterated by that electric shock he received.
Prisbee: You mean, when he put the paperclip in the socket and blew a fuse, he really fucking blew a fuse?
Doctor: Exactly. Look at this brain X-Ray.
turns x-ray light on.
clearly visible is banana dangling on a string, with baboon straining to reach it.
snicker snaggle,
jb
Tom, frankly, I do not know what to say. Yes, there are races. What is the issue now? Their names? Where is it going?
Jb, are you drinking with Reprise? Tell me what do you want to know or do not understand when you are sober.
Peace
Peace, you are incredibly stupid or deranged (I prefer a combination of the two). You have been engaging in a discussion with tomndebb, in which he says races don’t exist and you say they do.
So when he (and remember -this is important- he doesn’t believe races exist) challenges you to name them, you automatically sputter out "What do you mean? Now you say that they exist, but you do not know the names?"
Can you not really follow an idea for that long? Do you have an attention span longer than that of a crouton? HE DOESN’T BELIEVE THEY EXIST. HE BELIEVES THAT THEY DON’T HAVE NAMES BECAUSE- get this- HE BELIEVES THEY DON’T EXIST.
And then accuse him of trying to trap you? Hello, Mr. Bourne Identity, nobody is trying to trap or kidnap or poison you (actually, scratch that last one).
I said it before and I’ll say it again:
F U C K N U T ! ! !
jb
p.s.- anybody have any spare poison laying around?
Well at least if Jb was drinking with me, tomorrow Jb would be sober - you, however, would still be a wanker; There are some afflictions in life that can’t be slept off. You seem to suffer from several of them.
You’re in your own world.
JB_Farley remind me never to piss you off. I don’t think I could take being on the receving end of that. Keep it up though. ROTFL.
jb_, you’re taking this all too seriously.
I’ll probably give up pretty soon.
peace, we’ll give this one last try.
If I look at Desmond Tutu and Karol Wojtyla, I see two people who are obviously not closely related. By your comments, I deduce that you also see two people who are not closely related. Fair enough.
Many people have looked at the differences between those two gentlemen and said “they must be intrinsically different.” It certainly appears that way. In the 19th century, a number of ethnologists attempted to classify what the differences were between the ancestors of those two gentlemen and classify them into races.
More recently, however, biologists who were trying to categorize those “obvious” differences ran into a problem. They could (possibly) put Desmond Tutu into one group and Karol Wojtyla into another group and find various physical characteristics that distinguished them as individuals. (They also found that a number of characteristics that they assumed would be different actually turned out to be no different–or that a characteristic that was assumed to be part of Tutu’s group showed up every bit as frequently in Wojtyla’s group.)
Now, having put Tutu and Wojtyla into different groups, we should be able to follow a path between Krakow, Poland and Klerksdorp, Transvaal and categorize every person we meet into either the Tutu group or the Wojtyla group or into a different group from either of those. However, as we start out and begin testing people we run into a problem. Lots and lots of people in Wojtyla’s group have all sorts of characteristics that we expect to find in Tutu’s group. As we get closer to Transvaal, we continue to find lots of people with characteristics of Wojtyla’s group.
It is true that at each end of the “spectrum” the people have enough similarity to be recognizable as belonging to either the Tutu or Wojtyla groups. However, there is no place along the path where we can say Tutu’s group ends and Wojtyla’s group begins. In fact, when we get to the Tutu end of the line, we find that there are a lot of people with Wojtyla characteristics. If we never found a place where the people “changed” from one group to the next, how can we claim that they are separate groups?
The characteristics can be skin color, HLA types, or anything else you care to choose. The most that we can say after examining the data, however, is that a person with characteristics A, B, and C is more likely to have grown up near Traansval and less likely to have grown up near Krakow, (or, possibly, to have grown up near Khartoum and have a wide variety of similarities and differences with both groups).
We can find more of many characteristics at one end of the spectrum than at the other, but aside from the superficial ones of skin darkness, we cannot identify any charateristics that will clearly belong only to one group or the other. At that point, we have looked at an entire spectrum and arbitrarily decided that the two ends are different, even though there is no point on the spectrum where we can say “here ends group A and here begins group B.” We are imposing cultural expecations on data that does not support the conclusion.
Now, if the HLA frequencies that you finally provided had shown how to identify a member of any group based (even on a “constellation” of) those traits, your argument might have held up. However, we do not find that in the data. What we find is that some characteristics are “more likely” to appear in one group or another. We still find individuals in each group that have all the characteristics of the “other” group. Therefore, your “comstellations” do not exist as an objective reality. They are interesting from the perspective of finding lines of descent or chances of similar mutations, but they cannot be used to describe race.
Claiming that “races exist” in the face of the evidence Collounsbury provided last week, that clearly shows that it does not exist, simply indicates that you are willing to impose your cultural presuppositions on the data.
