Yes. Recently, the police busted some rings that distributed child porn, and they have a hard time identifiyng and finding the children depicted.
Those pedophiles who distribute child porn already use photoshop or similar to black out their own faces to distribute them anonymously over the internet. It’s simply very hard for non-experts to verify if a digital video on a computer is
completly real
partly real, partly rendered
compleltly rendered
With current laws, the possession of child porn of any kind, and the distribution, is illegal. This is not the case with verified Hollywood movies, but that one guy who murdererd a young girl with the help of his wife filmed the whole thing, and that private video was proof that a crime had been committed.
Um, social workers or therapists are already trying to help pedophiles deal with their desires, why would they not try a new approach? Or do you mean that non-convicted pedophiles wouldn’t dare to make themselves known, given the current climate? I’m sure that some way could be set up to make anonymity relativly sure, if some organisation with a high trust level would come on board. And aren’t some people with pedophilic desires already seeking help, because they don’t want to molest children and find a way to deal with it?
First, we need a way to find out what works, then we can find out how to help as many people as possible. For instance, if the trial project works, word of mouth in the community and messageboard might spread and convince the more suspicous people.
That would be a first step, but comes back to the other problem: are people pedophiles because they are emotionally not grown up, or is it a normal (in biological terms) desire like being gay? Because if it’s the latter, that’s like telling a gay person to have sex with a rubber doll, instead of marrying his boyfriend. Desire and sex is one part, but most normal people want a real relationship, too. Banging a robot won’t help with that.
I’m curious, too, Guin. You often hear about older females going for guys but not like super young guys. I mean like teenagers where it’s illegal but they are pubescent or post pubescent.
You almost never here about them for a number of reasons. They aren’t as good a story for the press. There is a double standard when it comes to sex crimes against males by females due to people with a mindset of ‘wow I wish I had a teacher sucking me off when i was 10’ etc. Most female predators are more difficult to catch because they prey on children close to them and form emotional connections with their victims. They are possible better at manipulating their male counterparts in a way that they are even less likely to tell anyone then a victim of a male.
I’m not a therapist, but I doubt current approaches involve actually creating simulated child porn for the pedophiles in therapy. Even if seeing porn helps them refrain from acting on their impulses - a point I also doubt - this sounds like a job few healthy people would want due to its disturbing nature. That’s what I was saying. Who wants the job of creating “healthy” fake child porn for pedophiles? Sounds like a great job if your a closeted pedophile but rather hellish for anyone else.
Even if hysteria is high now, I don’t think the climate for pedophiles has ever been favorable or ever will be. The fear may die down, but the feelings won’t, and I don’t think the genie’s never going back in the bottle on things like online registries that let parents find out if a sex offender lives in the area.
Qadgop, I think youmisinterpreted what gaffa was saying.
Gaffa was saying that he was attracted to girls who were his same age peers.
A pedophile is not. A pedo is stunted emotionally (for whatever reason) and so attracted to little boys or girls.
Like Gaffa I don’t think it’s “hardwired” ala sexual orenitation. I don’t think it’s a nature thing…It’s more of a “nurture” wired thing. Like a life experiance wired thing…I do think that many if not most pedophiles if they matured emotionally and dealt with the “trauma” that caused them to be pedophiles could move on to real realtionships with adults.
As an anecdotal aside a guy from my home town was jailed for serious child abuse / molestation - pillar of the community and a friend of my Dad. People like my Dad were then put in the genuine position of whether they should feel sympathy for a paedophile. In real life there can always be doubt about a conviction etc., so I guess you can always think he’s not actually a paedophile, it was a miscarriage of justice etc. My Dad ended up visiting the guy in prison over several years and siding with his position as being wrongly convicted.
The guy’s case was highly contentious - he’d run a care home in the 70s in a system that has been subsequently shown to be rife with abuse. The trouble was that he was been accused by people who had since grown up to become the shite of society - criminals who were totally unreliable as witnesses -The main prosecution witness was a male prostitute who was serving a life sentence for murder. I suppose you could argue that they got like that through sexual abuse in the first place. The police had actually contacted people from these care homes, some of whom were in prison, and explicitly spelt out the possibilty of criminal compensation, something they were pilloried for in the press.
These are just cherry-picked facts, I’m sure there was plenty of evidence the other way otherwise he wouldn’t have been sent down. There was more than enough, though, to put doubt in the minds of my Dad and other friends and enable them to support the convicted paedophile.
The guy is out now - think he did 8 or 9 years. He never admitted guilt inside and refused to undergo sexual councelling, treatment etc that would have reduced his sentence.
Zooming around the web I saw the number of female pedophiles reported as 6% of all pedophiles. That said it seems almost certain (from articles I saw) that number is actually higher as female pedophiles are less likely to get caught and may be treated differently from male pedophiles by law enforcement/courts.
Men almost certainly predominate here whatever the real number is for women but the answer to your question is yes, there are female pedophiles.
I absolutely feel pity for pedophiles, including those who act on their impulse by molesting children. Having an entire (if small) demographic who deserves nothing but hatred for failing to completely avoid acting on their innate sexual inclinations, to me, seems implausible.
I feel even more pity for children who are molested.
As a practical matter, molestation is a terrible thing, and it’s appropriate to imprison or otherwise restrain pedophiles as needed to prevent molestation, but doing so does not require us to hate them or be unpitying. How to do it is debatable, but as a hypothetical, if there were incarcerated communities containing nothing but pedophiles, I would not mind cooperating with them, for example visiting them to facilitate some kind of gainful employment within the community. I really don’t know how society might set these things up, but am only trying to characterize my feelings to answer the OP.
Child porn is a complicated issue. I have no objection to the creation and sharing of child porn that is fictional in origin and involved no children in its creation, and wonder if trying to restrict it is a First Amendment problem. The argument that it might encourage the wrong behavior isn’t necessarily sufficient to overcome such a problem. Obviously, political writings that complain about the government might have the effect of encouraging its overthrow even if they don’t explicitly advocate that, but those are exactly the sorts of things the framers considered first when creating that Amendment. Child porn that required abusing children in some way is an entirely different matter, like shouting “Fire” in a crowded theatre. I don’t know what to do about the practical difficulty of figuring out which one of those a particular confiscated sample of child porn is, but, again, the OP explores feelings about the subject, and I think this is relevant.
In a much more general sense, the debate about free will and its consequences for justice are still, in our age, a puzzle about which I can only hope our views will in some enlightened future age will be looked at with their own brand of pity.
One thing I’ve always wondered is whether their attraction to children is purely physical, or do pedophiles feel an emotional/intellectual attachment? Is it just lust, or does love (as in what a pedophile might think is love) come in to it as well?
As someone who was both raped at the age of 5, and repeatedly molested at 7 or 8, I’d like to throw my opinion into the mix.
I can see feeling sorry for pedophiles to a certain extent. But not once they act on it. I can understand how difficult it would be to have true sexual desire for a child but not have an acceptable outlet for it. That has to be hard to deal with. But it is never right to draw a child into your problem.
As far as computerized porn, why? Who says anyone has to has visual materials to masturbate? You want to whack off to thoughts of children, fine. I don’t care. Isn’t allowing child porn, even computer generated, a form of condoning it?
Yes I feel sorry for them.
It must be awful to know that you’re a loathsome piece of scum and each day must be a nightmare for them resisting temptation.
So I think that we should help them out by euthanising them.
And I am more then happy to help end their misery.
It’s fascinating the way many who admit yeah, pedophiles are pitiable, sucks to be them, immediately fall all over themselves to make clear how much they oppose actual child molestation. I would have supposed that was stipulated.
To a point, Lust4Life’s unapologetic lust for extermination is almost refreshing. Death penalty for feeling an urge without acting on it, how lovely.
Myself, as long as no real child is affected*, hey, that’s tough, dude, try and deal with your disorder as best you can.
And yes that means I’m cool with drawn/simulated/text porn referential to pedophilic scenarios.
The computer grafix available to the average molester are not yet impossible to crack – you say they’re becoming hard to tell by a non-expert if they were not taken from life? So? The cop on the beat does not need to make THAT call. That’s what forensic investigation is for. Hire a real expert, impound the suspected materials with a search warrant, and let the expert go at it with the best pro tools. There was a relatively recent case I read of real CP, where the culprit attempted to use sfx to mask the identities, and once someone with knowledge of the SW got his hands on it he undid the masking easily.
I know I always have. Personally, my imagination is too flighty and I can’t concentrate enough on a particular sexual fantasy to complete. So I’ve always used either written erotica, still images or video clips. TMI, I know, but you did ask.
I believe you (understandably and regrettably) do care, but you know there is nothing you can do about the thoughts in someone’s head.
As I said, right this instant, I can go to a movie theater and see very realistic fantasies of murder and torture with no societal opprobrium. Hell, I can see bloody death in 3D if I want! These things are completely socially unacceptable in a real-life context, but are considered light entertainment as fantasy. Is fantasy murder and torture condoning real life murder and torture?
It’s morally and ethically impossible to test the efficacy of allowing pedophiles access to computer generated child porn to see if it reduced the incidence of child abuse, if only because no sane person would allow children to be abused to prove the opposite.
But if no child is involved, it’s worth allowing pedophiles access to computer generated child porn, if only to see if it reduces the rates of child molestation and rape.
It was posted in a format with layers? Seriously? I can’t imagine anyone posting images not in JPEG format, which has no layers.
I do know that investigators have been taking pictures of child abuse and removed the abuser and victim from the image via cloning of parts of the image and posting those images on-line to successfully identify the location and time-frame of the abuse. A horrifying number occurred at various Disney hotels.
Or what if a child molester was beating off to images of simulated child rape/molestation? Like in films like “Hound Dog” or “Mysterious Skin.” Creepy, yes, but no kid was hurt in the making of that.