If you trespass on someone’s property without permission and get attacked by their dog, that’s your problem. Unless the dog didn’t have its rabies shots, how can you ethically contemplate suing someone in this situation? That said, I clearly typed “fantasy” in my post, and there was even a smiley. Stop taking yourselves so seriously.
Oh, like there’s only 2 sides to the debate.
I said in another thread it was better to cut off the head of a child about to sneeze on a cake, rather than ruin the cake by cutting off the outer layer of frosting after the sneeze.
I have reconsidered that position, and now I admit it was wrong. The blood would ruin the cake anyway. Better to shove a pillow in the kid’s face.
And when you’re 80, the professional adults will be…
THE KIDS OF TODAY.
Idiot.
But they won’t be kids anymore. Idiot.
So you want society to have kids so that they can grow up and take care of your non-productive ass (and I mean non-productive from a species and societal survival standpoint), but you just don’t want to have to see them or deal with them until after they’ve grown up. Is that right? Hopefully you’re a closet solipsist and believe that this all goes away when you die because otherwise you really are a moron…
I don’t care if society has kids, and if they don’t take care of me when I’m old, that’s no skin of my nose. Hopefully by then euthanasia will be legal. If it’s not, I pay my taxes like everybody else, and I work and contribute to society, and that should be enough to justify any care I might need 50+ years down the road.
This is because I don’t shop at WalMart if I can help it. OK, probably I wouldn’t have frothed at the mouth or gone berserk, but I certainly would have FELT like it.
I don’t consider it deviltry, but neither do I consider it heartwarming, funny, or cute. To turn it around a bit, I dearly love puppies and dogs. I shop at a Big Box type pet store on occasion, the kind that allow and encourage people to bring their dogs and cats in, as long as they’re leashed and well-behaved. I rather enjoy the dogs who perk up their ears and wag their tails at me. However, I don’t enjoy the dogs who have been improperly socialized, the ones who lunge at me, barking, and try to sniff my crotch. One set of dogs has been properly looked after, and the other set has been allowed to run wild. Same with kids, though I’ll admit that I’ve never had a kid try to sniff my crotch. Kids have to be properly socialized before they are brought into public places, or else they’re a nuisance or a downright danger.
Heh. I probably wouldn’t have weaned my daughter at that point, but I had to go on a medication that wasn’t approved for nursing mothers. I had to give her a soy milk, as she was still allergic to cow and goat milk. She did tell me that she was ready to start solid foods by grabbing a French fry and nomming on it.
I don’t closely inspect the car seats these days, I just see them over at another table when I go out. And I’m glad to hear that your family’s kids get aren’t just stuck in those seats. I am convinced that discipline problems start when parents ignore their kids’ needs.
I am not saying that my daughter was The Perfect Child. She wasn’t. She was a pretty good kid, though, who grew up to be a pretty good adult. Neither am I saying that I was The Perfect Mother, or that my husband was The Perfect Father. Both of us had and have plenty of character flaws. But we did try to do the best job we could. And we didn’t let our child run around without attempting to civilize her and making her a pleasant person to be around. Good kids don’t just happen, they take a lot of work. I never wanted to be a mother, but when I got pregnant in a time and place where I couldn’t get an abortion, I determined that I was going to be a good mother.
As for expecting a grocery store to be peaceful and quiet, I don’t expect it to be an old fashioned library. I anticipate a certain amount of noise and action. However, I do expect everyone there to be considerate of other people. And yes, I do expect kids to be considerate of other people. I don’t think that this is unreasonable. I expect the kids (and adults) to walk, without running around or playing ball. I expect the adults to keep their voices at a talking and not screaming level. I also expect the adults to be a little careful of how they position their carts, so that others can get around them. And when people, adults and kids alike, act like complete jerks in the store, I intend to come here and blow off steam about them. This will prevent a frothing rage at WalMart or Albertson’s.
Well, you ARE. At best, you’re just defective, like someone who hates homosexuals or Mexicans or paraplegics or Downs Syndromes folks but stays quiet about it: you suffer from a mental disorder. At worst, you’re a raging asshole. And believe me, you’re not showing yourself off to your best advantage here.
Yes, that woman’s contractor appointment IS your problem, because that’s why she’s not removing the kid from the store, and you have a problem with that, and the rest of us really fucking don’t. So it’s your problem, not hers, not mine, not anyone else’s. Yours.
And you really oughta quit holding up your own rearing as the paragon of how to raise a child. It apparently didn’t turn out a civilized creature.
Daniel
So, homophobes are suffering from a mental disorder? My great grandfather the racist asshole was actually defective, and not just an asshole? In that case, shouldn’t we cut them some slack and have them institutionalized? I don’t walk around on public streets shouting “SPAWN!” at little kids like some gaybasher passing by screaming “FAGGOT!” As for the woman with the appointment, maybe her best bet would be to wait until afterward to take the kids out. It’s my problem because the screaming kids are bothering me, but it’s her problem because she has to stand there and listen to me telling her about her terrible parenting skills. At best, it’s inconsistency (unless she always just lets them scream), which, in my understandng, is BAD for kids.
Legally, you’re completely fucking wrong–I say this having worked for six years at an agency that oversaw animal control laws. All bites are examined as being provoked or unprovoked. Stepping into someone’s yard does not constitute unlawful trespass by itself; even if it did, unlawful trespass is not sufficient to deem a bite provoked. Bites are assumed unprovoked unless there’s strong evidence otherwise. If your dog bites someone, AT BEST you’ll be given the opportunity to establish measures to prevent this from ever happening again–say, setting up a fence with sufficient gauge wire that goes to a sufficient depth and height to prevent chewthrough, leaping, or digging; never (NEVER) allowing the dog in public without a muzzle; etc.
At worst, you’ll be facing the dog’s mandatory euthanasia, a lawsuit, and (quite probably if you can be shown to have loosed the dog on a child) criminal charges.
Your belief that your behavior is other people’s problems, not yours, is literally sociopathic.
Yes to both questions. No, they needn’t be institutionalized, but yes, your great grandfather was a defect, and homophobes are mentally ill.
I am, too, given my severe trypanophobia. The difference is I don’t revel in my defect, I don’t act self-righteous about it, I don’t build my sad little identity around it. I know it’s a defect, I adjust my life to minimize its effect on me, I move on.
I seriously dislike children, but “hate” is such a strong word.
Oh, what the hell, okay, I hate the little fuckers! The wife and I both give a lot of credit to our happiness on not having any.
This pagesays they can make me move outside the city limits if the dog is deemed vicious. I’m sure that’s not the extent of the law, but I went a week ago to talk to Animal Control (concerning a barking ordinance and a crazy neighbor) to find out exactly what my rights were, and they said flat out that as long as the dog was up to date on his rabies shots that I was not liable if the person was bitten while on my property without invitation/permission. I guess they could be wrong, but it’s their job to know, so I’ll take their word for it. He said the worst thing that could happen, assuming the dog had his shots, was that I’d have to put the dog up for 10 days with a local vet for observation at my own expense. After 10 days, if the dog isn’t vicious or rabid, I get the dog back. The “victims”, he said, would even be responsible for their own hospital bill. If I let the dog loose, obviously that’s a different story, but I wouldn’t do that. Now, if someone is on my property without my permission and I’m not even aware of it, that’s their behavior, not mine. And no, I’m not responsible for it.
Dang, forgot you were in Alabama.
Here’s the full law.
The first section is a little unclear.
At any rate, here you are backing away from a position again. It’s one thing to talk about a child inadvertantly bitten by your dog when the child wanders into your yard and you’re unaware of it. It’s quite another thing to say “I’ve had fantasies of letting the dog go and chase the kid down the street” and to follow up with “If you trespass on someone’s property without permission and get attacked by their dog, that’s your problem.”
You’re coming across more and more as though your parents were failures in raising you.
Fair enough, but I haven’t backed away from my position at all; I have, indeed, had fantasies about letting the dog go and chase the kid, who would then suffer death by licking. However, it was a joke, and I wouldn’t actually do it. If I knowingly enter someone’s property without their permission and am attacked by their dog or am otherwise injured, I would ethically hold nobody responsible except myself. It would be my fault, and my problem. If the dog is loose in the streets biting people, that isn’t my fault, it’s the fault of the owner. Your assumption that I don’t take responsibility for my own behavior is ridiculous.
No, it’s not. Their job is to enforce any city or state ordinances that they are tasked with upholding. Liability is a civil matter, and has nothing to do with executive actions.
The law takes the view that unless clear, specific signs and barriers to prevent entry are in place, there is a standing implicit invitation onto your property.
People soliciting donations, Jehovah’s witnesses, strip-o-grams, and visitors are all considered non-trespassers until you ask them to leave.
Furthermore, there are many circumstances where you can be liable for even a knowing trespasser’s injuries when you are not aware they are trespassing. And before you call bullshit or something silly, this facet of negligence has been around practically forever, and for good reason.
Also, getting upset at all at the “Hello!” kid’s behavior strikes me as some sort of mental issue – oversensitive much?
Out of idle curiousity, what inspired you to inquire about a barking ordinance, and how did that apply to your dog biting a trespasser?
A crazy neighbor called the cops one afternoon because the dog barked at her… she claimed the dog barked all night long, kept them awake, etc. Which is untrue, because all the dogs sleep inside with me at night, and if they were barking they’d be keeping me awake all night too. Animal Control knocked on my door at 9 the next morning demanding to see the dog because the cops told them he was too skinny and possibly vicious or something. He passed inspection with flying colors (the dog in question). Anywhoo, the police threatened me with a citation and yadda yadda so I went to the Animal Control office to get a clear interperetation of the local ordinances and whatnot. Said neighbor also has been known to yell at my dogs, throw trash in my yard, etc. and they have a meth lab in their garage (says my other neighbor, and I don’t doubt it. They be crazeh.) I am suspicious that she may attempt to poison or injure dog if he is left unattended, so I asked for the exact wording of the relevant ordinance, and then about trespassers, biting, liability, witnesses, and different scenarios, etc. To make sure all my bases were covered. I don’t want to get sued because she trespassd on my property and was injured in the act of abusing my dog. They said I’d need certificates and tags for rabies vax, a No Trespassing and Beware of Dog sign just for the sake of prevention, make sure my homeowners’ insurance is paid up, and clear markers at the property line (there is a fence) and that I’d be good.
You mean like a No Trespassing sign? A fence? How about a No Witnessing or No Soliciting sign? I don’t have either of those, but they can be acquired.
Sorry, missed the edit window. Can you clarify this? Assume a guy walks into my yard while I’m not home, steps in a hole, and breaks his ankle. I am responsible for this? And what good reason? What if that kid riding his bike up and down my driveway falls and skins his knees, is that my fault too? Say I’m at work, and somebody jumps over my fence with the intent of breaking into my house, and is mauled by my dog, and that’s my fault? That’s ridiculous. You could be right legally, but it’s still ridiculous.
Ha ha ha! That’s a good one.
Oh, wait, you were serious. Let me try again.
How do you socialize a child without bringing it out into society?