And? Society is always right? Obviously, you aren’t since it wasn’t even close to an “idiot” hypothetical, and all you seem to be able to do is stomp your little feet and try to make my oh so horrible opinions go away. The more I read of what you write, the more I am glad I won’t have to put up with any of your students.
More idiot talk from you. Pointing out problems is far from having a persecution complex. Of course, you wouldn’t understand that since your reaction to anyone having a differing opinion is to freak out like a - yes - little child.
When did I say anything close to that? I am pointing out that a growing section of the US population (I have no idea if the rest of the world has this problem) expects everyone to kiss their toes because they performed the “miracle” of childbirth. I know you are not old enough to know this, but it really wasn’t all that long ago that the saying “children should be seen and not heard” was actually applied to public situations. Children were taught manners and if those manners slipped, they were corrected. I don’t know why you want to grow up surrounded by children that think it is OK to damage property, wander about in traffic, hit their parents, scream blue murder for no real reason and all the rest, but there are a lot of people that really don’t appreciate those things. And many of those people are parents themselves.
It certainly comforting for you to do that rather than stop and think whether or not any of this could apply to you. God forbid that you consider whether or not your children are anything less than angels, or whether their “just being kids” is actually crossing over into tromping on the rights of others. :rolleyes:
Well, you were the one exclaiming that children cannot be left alone while mom runs to the grocery store - I take it that it is OK with you if she leaves them alone while she works? :rolleyes:
Amazing. All these things that were routine only a generation ago are suddenly impossible. It couldn’t just be because it’s so much easier to just ignore the screaming child than actually parent it, could it?
I see. You have never known or read about anyone who decided to have/keep a baby when they knew were going to end up raising it alone? Wow. What bubble to you live in?
Don’t be an idiot. Children are not a part of my life in that I chose not to have any and am not responsible for any. Therefore, I am tired of having them forced on me by parents that believe that “it takes a village” bullshit. You choose to have a kid, you raise it, without insisting that it’s ok to bother everyone else.
I have no idea whether or not a ball can put a hole in a garage door or not, but why does something have to break for you to admit that kids shouldn’t be playing in such a way that puts them on someone else’s property?
My grandfather lives in the last house on a road that ends where a woods begins. The property is surrounded by a fence. Part of the fence is six feet tall because they used to have a large dog who could hop the 3 foot fence.
Instead of walking down the street to go smoke or jerk off in the woods, the neighborhood children think it is their God given right to climb his fence and cut through the yard to get to the woods. Not just one child, several children on different occasions. They’ve all been told (quite nicely at first) to stay out of the yard. Their parents have been notified as well. Does it stop them? No.
Some of them have stopped along the way to knock over a birdbath, try to climb a tree, pick flowers, chase a local stray cat who has taken up residence in the yard, and any number of other things that they have no business doing.
Only ONE parent apologized and made sure their kid never did it again. One mother said that she was a single mom of three kids and didn’t have time for my grandfather’s nonsense. He is 83 years old and shouldn’t have to spend the rest of his life chasing other people’s kids out of his yard.
Not long after I bought my house I had a few kids knock on my door to inform me that they were there to swim. Apparently the woman who owned the house before me would allow them to swim in the pool. I told them that she’d moved away and they could no longer swim in the pool. Ten minutes later their mother showed up with them telling me that yes, her children did swim in the pool and had the owner’s permission. After I told her that I was the new owner and that they could no longer do that she was actually pissed at me and said (I swear on my eyes) “Now what are they supposed to do in the afternoons?” Almost a month later I caught them trying to get the lock off the gate that leads to the backyard. I have an eight food cinder block wall around my backyard so it isn’t like they could climb it, but they were trying to break in. These are kids ranging from about 9-13. I let their mother know and that I’d be calling the police from then on out. Apparently, this makes me a fucking bitch. Who knew?
So, two long stories short - not all kids are assholes but there are a good many and no one should have to put up with them on their property if they are not wanted whether they actually break anything or not.
Oh gosh, I’m sorry I only provided a layman’s reference - “If a Service Dog misbehaves and places someone in danger, you as a business
owner have the right to ask the partner to get control of the animal, or please leave.” - and not that actual law. Well, if you want to go dig thru the ADA laws, have at it.
Oh yeah there has been a lot of that - oh wait, there hasn’t been any at all! No, what we have here is extreme overreaction by parents, the sort that makes me wonder just what happens when you take your little darlings out in public.
Given the percentage of service dogs to children, there is certainly far less, but there is this, ironically about service dogs and children - “As many people with a service or guide dog discover, access to public places or stores can sometimes be a problem. “After all the families go through to get one of these dogs, it is very discouraging when they are fighting store managers for their right to be in the store,” Burrows says. She notes, though, that with the growing popularity of service dogs and guide dogs, things are improving.”
Or this - "“I get so many calls from people in tears who have a legitimate service dog they’ve trained themselves,” says Delta Society’s Cobey. “They’re thrown out of stores, they’re screamed at, they’re yelled at.”
And, from a childfree livejournal message board we have -
When your kid is not more important than disability
Apr. 9th, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Today however, I was at the docs, waiting for my appointment when some woman starts shouting rude obscenities at the poor receptionist. Yes this lady had her 7(ish) year old son with her who much be learning some new interesting words from Mummy that day. What was the issue? Was her kid treated badly?
No. The issue was that the elderly blind lady in the waiting room had her guide dog with her. I live a few doors down from this lady and have helped her with her dustbins on occassion. She’s a remarkable woman with some great stories of her time during the war…but I digress.
The rude woman f-ing and c-ing at the receptionist stated that to have a “filthy disgusting dog” in a doctors office was a violation of her rights, what if her son gets a DISEASE from the dog! Get that dog out of the waiting room NOW or she’d call the police and claim the dog attacked her son. All damn credit to the receptionist, who said that the police were already on their way seeing as how she’d broken the law by physically threatening people (she said she’d ‘punch your fucking mouth open’ if the staff didn’t get that dog removed). Nutcase woman was still screaming at the staff when my appointment was called.
After I got out, nutcase woman was gone but everyone was still talking about it. Apparently the police did turn up, took this lady and her kid for a little ride in the squad car."
This story is from the UK, where I don’t know their service dog laws, but note that the police were called because the woman threatened the receptionist with bodily harm, not because she was trying to force a blind woman to get around without her seeing eye dog.
I am awaiting your disapproval because these are exactly what you demanded I show you, but too bad - I only have so much time I feel like wasting on these things.
Certainly no need to! I have a very nice life with a lovely and loving husband, a cute naughty cat, enjoyable dogs and many fun activities. God knows what the future is going to bring tho, with all the tax increases and the current generation being taught they are all spesul snowflakes.
As for “why you are like you are”, well at least I am not someone that makes snap judgements based whether or not they agree with me about what is important.
More overreaction - really does make me wonder about the children of the parents here. When was it that I said anything that sounds like I would want a coat made out of children?
The thing you parents aren’t getting is it isn’t irrational or prejudice (at least not in my case). It is a response to screaming for more than a reasonable amount of time, to repeated damage to property that parents shrug off, it’s the expectation that we all cover for parents who miss work because the kid is sick/in a play/off school, the unbelieveable expectation that anything that has anything at all to do with children MUST trump everything else. I’m sick of your bratty kids - quit thrusting them into my life.
You may consider after the 2,403,853th time you have to explain to someone that no, you aren’t trying, no, you don’t need the phone number of their IVF specialist, no, you are happy the way things are. Unless you do plan to have children eventually, then you are actually currently childless. Anyway…
Good luck with that. Perhaps it is different in that world, since you are engaged in a career and not just working a job. Me, I worked what was termed “pink collar”, I didn’t have a career. OTOH, you say your contemporaries will be off having babies, quitting and shirking - will your employers really believe that you don’t plan to do that yourself at some time in the future? That your “biological clock” won’t go off after they have promoted you? I have no idea - good luck to you.
Uh, hon? Read the post - all of that was in the past as I am past childbearing age, as well as no longer working. And it is hardly bullshit when I was specifically told that I wasn’t going to get the job or promotion because I was “still young and didn’t know I wasn’t going to want kids”. Because, you know, “all women do want babies!”
Didn’t somebody just say something about how much people like to split hairs in here? OK, change it to “parents and those who want to be parents seem to have fair more tolerance for the noise children make than those who never want to have kids”. Happy now?
Also, note the word “seem” in there. It’s important.
tdn I’m not sure why you are responding in this thread at all or why you are getting defensive. Just read the thread title. You don’t hate children. This thread is not about you. No one is saying you need to love every child or even like being around them. This thread is about those that have an irrational hatred for children. You have not shown any of that IMHO.
I’m with Sarahfeena too: I’ve been tolerant of children all my life. I’ve argued for their acceptance all my life. curlcoat’s moronic idea that in order to defend the rights of children (and of parents), you must be a terrible parent, may win the prize for Dumbest Thing in the Thread–but the problem with judging that contest is that she’s submitted so many entries.
Oh, I know they do, but curlcoat is painting a ridiculous picture. I mean, I can believe your pool story (which, unsurprisingly, involved children being directed by an irritating adult) but her tales of her neighborhood being swarmed by hordes of children with the destructive power of Genghis Khan’s hordes are becoming larger with the telling and, thus, increasingly hard to believe.
Oh, no problem, I believe you said it right here …
… nowhere, you fucking freak show.
I was using an analogy to make a point. But don’t let me bother you. Halloween is coming up in a few short months and those razor blades aren’t going to get into those apples by themselves.
Yes, I get that distinction now, and I appreciate you pointing it out.
It was a bit unclear in the OP, though. The implication was that anyone who doesn’t love children must automatically hate them. Shades of gray were seriously lacking right from the start of this thread. And there was a serious “us vs them” attitude displayed right from the beginning. Since I came in stating that not everyone enjoys being around children, I was automatically lumped in with “them.” It was a case of “If you ain’t fer us, you’re agin us.” (Which I think should be changed to “If you ain’t ferrous, you’re a Guinness.”) And let’s face it, a lot of people who choose not to have children get a lot of flack from society. Witness the cab driver I mentioned a few pages back.
Given all that, I think it’s at least a bit understandable that I got defensive. And let’s face it, some pretty unreasonable things were being said from both sides.
Having said all that, I went to a concert last night, the audience of which contained about five kids, ages four to sixteen. They were all extremely well-behaved. Only one kid shouted something out to the performer.
The performer was swearing up a storm. F-this, F-in’ that. F-in’ B string is never in tune. I love this F-in’ song. F-off, Manny, I don’t need a tuner. He then asked if there were some audience members who shouldn’t be hearing those kinds of words. A few moms piped up that yeah, there are little ones in the audience. One kid piped up “My dad says that word all the time.”
