People who hate children

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[quote=“curlcoat, post:898, topic:491746”]

When I pointed it out, you said something along the lines of you were just listing a bunch of bad things of the past and didn’t mean it to come across as from just one generation.

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No, actually, I didn’t. In response to your point that a generation was shorter than 29 years, I adjusted to say that maybe my siblings and I could be considered to cross two generations. I never said anything about a bunch of bad things from the past. I never said anything about a bunch of bad things from any time.

I’m sorry that I don’t keep close enough track of your posts to be able to memorize details, but, I don’t. You are older than I am.

I didn’t expect you to keep track. All I meant was that I’ve posted my age on this board, so there was no reason to keep it secret in this thread. So I’m older than you are. (But it can’t be by much. Oh, well.) All that means is that you know even less about the supposed societal directive that children should be “seen and not heard”. If and when it existed it was before my time, so definitely before yours. I’ve never argued with your description of your childhood, just your assumption that it was the common thing at the time.
All of which has been a total bunch of irrelevancy in this thread. The fact is, I don’t really care how you (or anybody else) feel about children. If you don’t want them I’m glad you have taken measures to insure you don’t have them. The only thing that concerns me is that it seems so many of those who choose not to have children want to live their lives totally free of any interaction with them. I’ve never expected anyone outside the family to like my kids, and I did my very best to make sure the little buggers didn’t bother anybody.

Like it or not, children have to exist, unless you want the human race to go extinct in a relatively short time. And you need that next generation to provide the workers and the basic services that you will require for the rest of your life. And since that’s true, we all pretty much have to see that they are provided for until they can provide for themselves. And for them to become competent, educated, reliable adults, they have to have some experience outside the home they live in. Not to mention that the parents who rear them have to be able to live their lives, too.

Yes, there are probably too many incompetent parents out there, but my experience tells me that they aren’t even close to the majority. Bratty, badly behaved, loud-in-public children bother me as much as they do anyone, maybe more, since I know it doesn’t have to happen. Or doesn’t have to happen more than once in a long while. The thing is, my daily experience out and about in the world tells me that the bratty, loud kids are by far the exception.

[Sleeps_With_Butterflies]

@flonks

Nowadays kids respect people they look up to, and IMHO that is as it should be. In the “old days” kids were afraid of roles (police, teachers), whether the person in the role earned that respect or not.

And, where I live, kids still respect the police. They don’t really have a choice …

See, that’s a shitty way to teach kids to be. As fellow human beings, it is common courtesy to show one another respect regardless of whether or not these children look up to these people or not. What kind of parent teaches their child they only have to respect people they look up to? More than that, have you seen some of the people kids look up to? Children are not fully cooked. I don’t assume that they know nothing, but they sure as hell aren’t always good judges of character so their parents should teach them to treat all people with respect whether little Muffy or Biff looks up to them or not.

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@Sleeps_With_Butterflies

See, that’s a shitty way to teach kids to be. As fellow human beings, it is common courtesy to show one another respect regardless of whether or not these children look up to these people or not. What kind of parent teaches their child they only have to respect people they look up to? More than that, have you seen some of the people kids look up to? Children are not fully cooked. I don’t assume that they know nothing, but they sure as hell aren’t always good judges of character so their parents should teach them to treat all people with respect whether little Muffy or Biff looks up to them or not.

Agreed. We imbue certain ‘chairs’ in society with authority. The police officer the teacher, are both sitting in seats of authority, and we should teach children to respect the chair until proven otherwise. If there is no respect for the chair itself, then there is no respect for people in various roles in civilization.

[Sapo]

@Labrador_Deceiver

Oh goody. An OP who is overreacting, already followed by at least one or two posters who are overreacting in their replies. This should make for a pretty good 15-page flame war.

[keturah]

originally posted by **curlcoat **
Business owners ban service dogs against the law all the time

I have seen no evidence that this is true.

originally posted by curlcoat

And now, I am off to Sacramento for a turn around, so you all carry on. Dunno when I’ll be able to get back to this.

originally posted by curlcoat

I don’t work any more because I am disabled.

Which is it? I’m thinking perhaps you are not telling the truth. Unless, maybe I don’t understand the “turn around” terminology?

originally posted by sleeps with butterflies

I’ve got news for you, you’re not first class material either. If you need to stoop to make fun of someone’s job to attempt to be funny, you’re pretty much a classless dolt and you’ve demonstrated quite a lot about your character. What other professions bring out your scumbag tendencies?

I was not insulting the profession, though I admit it was clumsily worded. I find it intriguing that she hates children, but chose a profession where she is trapped with them. Addditionally, what she says does not jibe. In one post she claims to be of an older generation and intentionally uses the term “pink collar” in an effort to reinforce the idea that she is from the old school. In the next she says:

originally posted by curlcoat
What gives you the idea I’m retired?

In essence, I do not think that she has her tray table in the upright position.

[Sleeps_With_Butterflies]

@keturah

I was not insulting the profession, though I admit it was clumsily worded. I find it intriguing that she hates children, but chose a profession where she is trapped with them.

Bullshit. You were insulting her and her profession while trying to portray yourself as something first class. You’ve clearly demonstrated that you’re a classless jackass and no amount of history revision is going to change that.

[curlcoat]

@RickJay

Kids of your generation were shitty as all hell.

Which generation is that?

[curlcoat]

@flonks

Well, apparently this does not indicate that he is more important, as you say in this posting

In that post, what I am saying isn’t true is the “at long last you admit” part. If you read the whole thread, you will see that I never denied that my husband is more important than my pets. Actually, if I remember correctly, it wasn’t even brought up until someone suddenly said “OMG you love your pets more than your husband?!?!?” or something like that. You know, those amazing leaps of lack of logic that have been displayed here?

[curlcoat]

@thirdwarning

I never said anything about a bunch of bad things from the past. I never said anything about a bunch of bad things from any time.

As it turns out, it was flonks who posted that - as I said earlier, I cannot really keep up with all of these unique ideas.

I didn’t expect you to keep track. All I meant was that I’ve posted my age on this board, so there was no reason to keep it secret in this thread. So I’m older than you are. (But it can’t be by much. Oh, well.) All that means is that you know even less about the supposed societal directive that children should be “seen and not heard”. If and when it existed it was before my time, so definitely before yours. I’ve never argued with your description of your childhood, just your assumption that it was the common thing at the time.

No matter what my age, and I love how you still think you know what it is based on my menopausal state, “seen and not heard” was still the common thing when I grew up, where I grew up. It wasn’t common for any of my childhood friends to be taken to the grocery store or a sit down restaurant, either. Perhaps this was a function of where I grew up, perhaps because I grew up poor, I don’t know.

As for it being before your time, apparently you are unaware that it is an extremely old saying? Such as here.

Like it or not, children have to exist, unless you want the human race to go extinct in a relatively short time. And you need that next generation to provide the workers and the basic services that you will require for the rest of your life. And since that’s true, we all pretty much have to see that they are provided for until they can provide for themselves. And for them to become competent, educated, reliable adults, they have to have some experience outside the home they live in. Not to mention that the parents who rear them have to be able to live their lives, too.

The number of children we currently have we don’t need to keep the human race going. The number of children we currently have is far more than enough to provide the “workers and basic services” for 15 or so years from now. Given that, there is no reason why any parent should expect me to pay more and more in taxes for more and more child-centered services. As for teaching them to be competent, educated, reliable adults - allowing a child to scream unchecked in a store or run amok in a restaurant isn’t going to teach them any of that. And finally, I have no sympathy for parents that “have to be able to live their lives too”. You all chose this lifestyle, you deal with it.

Yes, there are probably too many incompetent parents out there, but my experience tells me that they aren’t even close to the majority. Bratty, badly behaved, loud-in-public children bother me as much as they do anyone, maybe more, since I know it doesn’t have to happen. Or doesn’t have to happen more than once in a long while. The thing is, my daily experience out and about in the world tells me that the bratty, loud kids are by far the exception.

Your experience is immaterial. Bratty, loud kids are far more common every year, and I am certainly not the only person who says this - here ya go!

[curlcoat]

@keturah

I have seen no evidence that this is true.

The links are upthread - somewhere.

Which is it? I’m thinking perhaps you are not telling the truth. Unless, maybe I don’t understand the “turn around” terminology?

Wow, ya think? A turn around trip is going to a place, such as Sacramento, getting things done and coming back the same day. In this case, it was me driving up there, handing a dog to it’s owner and coming back right away. 16 hours on the road. Funny how you latch onto that tho.

I was not insulting the profession, though I admit it was clumsily worded. I find it intriguing that she hates children, but chose a profession where she is trapped with them. Addditionally, what she says does not jibe. In one post she claims to be of an older generation and intentionally uses the term “pink collar” in an effort to reinforce the idea that she is from the old school. In the next she says:

In essence, I do not think that she has her tray table in the upright position.

Perhaps, just perhaps, you’ll manage to understand that just because someone doesn’t agree with your life’s vision it doesn’t make them a loony. Or that you don’t know everything. Then maybe you’ll quit jumping to conclusions that make you look like a twit.

So, just for your edification - I am not retired, not in the sense that most people are retired - I am disabled and unable to hold a full time job in the profession I worked in for 25 years. Which was paying insurance claims (basically keypunching). The term pink collar was applied to that work by one of the headhunters I used, and obviously I am not the only one here to have heard that term. As for “old school”, I have no idea what that means to you.

[Rubystreak]

@curlcoat

No matter what my age, and I love how you still think you know what it is based on my menopausal state, “seen and not heard” was still the common thing when I grew up, where I grew up. It wasn’t common for any of my childhood friends to be taken to the grocery store or a sit down restaurant, either. Perhaps this was a function of where I grew up, perhaps because I grew up poor, I don’t know.

I would think you’d see the children of poor people in stores more often because they can’t afford sitters to leave the kids with when they go shopping. My mother did all the shopping because my father worked insane hours and there was no one else to watch us. A single mother working her ass off to support her family is even more likely to have to drag the kids to the store with her. I’m not sure how being poor = didn’t go to the store with Mom. Unless you had relatives with whom you could leave your kids, you didn’t have lots of options.

allowing a child to scream unchecked in a store or run amok in a restaurant isn’t going to teach them any of that.

I know this is about page 20 of the thread, but really, how often does this actually happen? I do all the grocery shopping and most of the clothes shopping for our household, so I’m in the store at least once a week every week, and I can barely recollect hearing any kids screaming in the store, and not at all in a restaurant. I’m currently childless, so it’s not that I’m desensitized to it. Is this really the gigantic problem it’s being made out to be here? You hear a kid screaming maybe 3-4 times a year, that’s really worthy of a 20 page Pit thread? What am I missing here?

[curlcoat]

@Rubystreak

I would think you’d see the children of poor people in stores more often because they can’t afford sitters to leave the kids with when they go shopping. My mother did all the shopping because my father worked insane hours and there was no one else to watch us. A single mother working her ass off to support her family is even more likely to have to drag the kids to the store with her. I’m not sure how being poor = didn’t go to the store with Mom. Unless you had relatives with whom you could leave your kids, you didn’t have lots of options.

I suppose those mothers could do what mine did - she left us with the neighbor. Sorry, no sympathy for mothers just because they are “single”. You choose the lifestyle, you deal with it without expecting everyone around you to pick up the slack.

I know this is about page 20 of the thread, but really, how often does this actually happen?

Why does the frequency matter?

You hear a kid screaming maybe 3-4 times a year, that’s really worthy of a 20 page Pit thread? What am I missing here?

Oh, well, it is definitely more frequent than 3-4 times a year. More like 3-4 times a week.

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@curlcoat

Oh, well, it is definitely more frequent than 3-4 times a year. More like 3-4 times a week.

Okay. And it takes a lot more than ten seconds to refill a glass, too.

Well, have fun, guys. Talking to walls is only amusing for a while.

[starwarsfreek42]

@Rubystreak

You hear a kid screaming maybe 3-4 times a year, that’s really worthy of a 20 page Pit thread? What am I missing here?

No, it’s not worth a 20 page Pit thread. What you’re missing is who’s pitting who: the kid-haters are being pitted for complaining. We didn’t start this thread.

[Birdmonster]

@curlcoat

I suppose those mothers could do what mine did - she left us with the neighbor. Sorry, no sympathy for mothers just because they are “single”. You choose the lifestyle, you deal with it without expecting everyone around you to pick up the slack.

I certainly know oodles of mothers who thought, “You know what? I want to have a child and I don’t want the man around. I’ll either have it out of wedlock or divorce him, and then, oh yes, and then I’ll get to take that baby to the grocery store. OH YES. I’m excited for this. WHO WANTS TO HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX RIGHT NOW?”

Why does the frequency matter?

The frequency is everything! You’re arguing that you’re seeing a constant increase in screaming, bratty children. Others are arguing that this is hyperbolic and that the instances of the screeching-in-public baby is far less than you’re making it out to be. It’s the crux of everything your entire argument. If it happens once, no big deal. Constantly and it’s indicative of society letting those whippersnaps run wild.

Oh, well, it is definitely more frequent than 3-4 times a year. More like 3-4 times a week.

See?

[Birdmonster]

@starwarsfreek42

No, it’s not worth a 20 page Pit thread. What you’re missing is who’s pitting who: the kid-haters are being pitted for complaining. We didn’t start this thread.

A.k.a. “He started it!”

[starwarsfreek42]

… yeah, pretty much.

[bengangmo]

@Sanity_Challenged

That’s just stupid. What’s the point of going to a brothel if there aren’t any kids?

If you’ve got kids why do you need to go to a brothel?

[flonks]

@Sleeps_With_Butterflies

See, that’s a shitty way to teach kids to be. As fellow human beings, it is common courtesy to show one another respect regardless of whether or not these children look up to these people or not. What kind of parent teaches their child they only have to respect people they look up to? More than that, have you seen some of the people kids look up to? Children are not fully cooked. I don’t assume that they know nothing, but they sure as hell aren’t always good judges of character so their parents should teach them to treat all people with respect whether little Muffy or Biff looks up to them or not.

OK, that’s correct, I did not chose the right word. Please replace respect with suck up to.

[flonks]

@curlcoat

In that post, what I am saying isn’t true is the “at long last you admit” part. If you read the whole thread, you will see that I never denied that my husband is more important than my pets. Actually, if I remember correctly, it wasn’t even brought up until someone suddenly said “OMG you love your pets more than your husband?!?!?” or something like that. You know, those amazing leaps of lack of logic that have been displayed here?

WTF? Now you make the case that you ALWAYS admitted it?

Since this thread started you are playing with words, you are nitpicking, and all we do is discussing irrelevant stuff. This does not make any sense.

Anyway, you will not change your point of view, I will not change mine, and no discussion will change that.