She’s asking you where you got the idea that she thinks you’re hysterical, because she doesn’t. She may well think you’re a bitch, but not a hysterical one. I really do think that she was not calling you hysterical, and didn’t understand why you thought she was. Beyond that, I care not to comment.
I’m afraid you’ll have to wrestle me for the title of “Leader of the Bitch Brigade”, Sleeps With Butterflies ,because **Ellen Cherry **did in fact come off as hysterical and you put it much more delicately than what came to my mind when I read her overwrought post (I have nothing against Ellen, but jeez; dramatic much?). I’ve completely lost the plot as far as your discussion with Labrador, though.
This has nothing to do with the OP or topic at hand, but I am extremely puzzled why ANYONE (whether you like children or don’t) engages in discussion with Curlcoat. She has shown, time and time again, in about 3 or 4 other pit topics, that she will just not listen to things like reason or facts…almost to the extreme point where I think she’s just a troll playing the part of “an obtuse poster” who never gives up replying to a topic as long as people keep replying to things she’s said.
The things she has posted in the last five months are so outlandish and WRONG that I cannot fathom how any human brain can possibly think them.
I just don’t know why people still bother replying to her. It’s a huge waste of time…unless you just like poking with a stick.
She’s a troll, people. And no, that’s not being said just because she “expresses unpopular opinions” or “I disagree with her”. The fact is: She is plain, 100 percent wrong in about 99percent of the things she posts, has been told this over and over in about 4 other pit threads in the past, has been exceedingly inconsistant in her opinions, and never, EVER stops posting in a topic until either she’s the last one to reply or people stop talking to her.
Sorry to derail the topic. I was thinking of making this its own pit thread, but I didn’t have that much caring to, and besides, she doesn’t deserve her own topic just feeding her more. I just wish people would stop wasting their time thinking they’re going to get through to her. You’re all just talking to a wall there. A wall that I think is purposefully being a wall.
My son is a pretty good chess player for his age. Love him!
Lesson taken :dubious:
In the discussion with me you were extremely unpleasant, to stay diplomatic. curlcoat’s views may be extremly off charts and I think she as crazy as one can get, the whole goal of her postings might be to provoke, but at least she stays polite.
What’s his age, what’s his ELO?
Off topic, I assume that Bobby Fisher would beat your son (else we would know your son), but I guess that’s not a reason to love him, especially given his political views 
Kids stink!
Just trying to get back to basics.
Not always, I just changed the diapers, and he is taking a bath actually right now
See, in the real world words mean things. As far as I can tell The Pit is still in the real world. “Bunch of nonsense” about hysteria? She called me bitchy and I made a sarcastic remark about how I must be hysterical. That is a “bunch” of nonsense? Words have meanings, you get that, right? I am amazed that you really believe the stuff you’re saying.
When someone accuses you of something is it unreasonable to ask for an explanation? It is YOU Labrador who is stuck on the hysterical word. I have repeatedly stated that I want examples of what draws her to the conclusion that I’m going to be the leader of bitches.
Apparently Rubystreak chooses to believe that Ms First Class left out a few words and accidentally added a question mark to tell me that she doesn’t think I’m hysterical. Ok, I’ll go with that. I had to ask because keturah clearly isn’t all that “with it” since she has failed to see where I’ve even expressed an opinion in this thread so I don’t think asking for examples is that far out of line.
Extremely unpleasant??? If you honestly believe that then I sincerely think The Pit isn’t for you. Really. This is a place where people call each other horrible names and swear for the sake of swearing. If you think my exchange with you was extremely unpleasant then I can’t imagine how you’ll hold up when a real pit thread breaks out. Sincerely.
I tried to make sense of your convoluted idea of people having to earn a child’s respect which you admitted was poorly worded. Oh and weren’t you the one who wanted (FINALLY!) some examples of bad behavior in children when a lot of them had already been given for pages? Yeah, that was you.
Oh you can have it. I remember the old “bitch brigade” and I want no part of those people.
I don’t know of Ellen except her “interesting” photo thread posts so I don’t know if she’s normally so easily offended, but I thought she was being rather dramatic and it struck me funny. Apparently this means one is a high level bitch in Doperland.
It’s not forbidden, but it does not make you more sympathetic for behaving this way. It’s like in real life: there is no law against personal insults, of course. Its just that using them leads to people avoiding you.
It was poorly worded, yes. And so what? I am not a native English speaker, and I do not live in an English speaking country. I admitted that I used a wrong word.
What is your point??
Except that they’re not ‘rights’ as we typically know them, rather there are protections not available to able-bodied and sound minded adults, more of a privledge in the so-called first world countries than in the 3rd world ones where such programs and/or laws either aren’t followed or don’t exist. In as far as child support, I think the system is indeed flawed. I think this because I’ve seen the results of it. As a man, I am JUST as responsible as the woman for the care of a child I helped create, whether or not I have involvement in the life of that child. Still, having that money go directly to the care-giver as cash invites the misuse of the money. I would love to see child support go onto a Flex Spending type of card that could only buy certian things (food, formula, childrens clothing, school books etc) and couldn’t be used for adult clothing, alcohol and so forth. If I’ve seen that once, I’ve seen it 10 times and it’s bullshit of the highest order IMO. To some degree, I don’t agree with the tax break for parents, but then there’s a LOT about the tax system I disagree with.
Some do, you’re right. In their most basic form, I am FOR these extra protections. I think hating only on the basis of “the baby gets it, why can’t I?” is stupid.
We’re in general agreement here, I think my tone throughout the thread has reflected that I don’t necessarily blame the children, but the parents. Still, there are SO many of these parents that allow the kind of prepubescent asshattery as to make the non-breedin’ types believe that this is the majority of parents. It IS, of course, subjective.
Admittedly I was hesitant to post here once I saw curlcoat in the thread, but I was bored.
Bless her heart.
"I’m WET!! And I’m STILL HYSTERICAL!!!
- Gene Wilder in The Producers
Sorry for the digression. But that scene in the movie is hysterical.
Well, if you don’t like kids or being hysterical, get a fuckin’ hysterectomy already!
In response to those who think Ellen Cherry was being hysterical and/or dramatic:
Awww, c’mon, Dopers… Ellen wasn’t being hysterical (nor dramatic). …
From here that seems like an observation, and an accurate one. And it doesn’t strike me as the least bit hysterical (nor dramatic). Heck, I’d say she even left off from her list a few pertinent (and dramatic) points. For instance, how about equating children with feces, (as in “…the only worthwhile thing that woman did in her life was poop out kids.”[#867]). And how about equating the birthing process with defecation, and the birth canal with the bowels, rectum and anus. (again, refer to the same “poopy” example). And how about the blatant name-calling that implied that children were born from Satan’s own womb (or, um, “pooped” from Satan’s own bowels?). Yes, that would be in the comment “…parents proudly proclaim that their hellspawn will be the ones to take care of me…”[#967]). And hey, if a woman “poops” out a “hellspawn” wouldn’t that make her (or the father) the actual DEVIL? :eek: Ya see, Ellen could have easily had a much longer list and still not been truly hysterical (nor dramatic). And I’d also say the real drama was actually elsewhere.
But it seems only fair to mention that when RickJay wrote “Kids of your generation were shitty as all hell” I didn’t see that as equating kids with shit/poop/feces, (and neither with Satan despite RJ’s mention of “hell”). But that’s because he was clearly pointing out that even those who equate ONLY TODAY’S kids with shit/poop (and Satan/hell) were of a generation that was equally shitty/poopy (and even hellspawn-y). So, all’s fair.
Now, am I being hysterical (or dramatic) by mentioning these points? Well, I just checked and I don’t feel presently hysterical… (nor dramatic). 
But I’m getting that some in the anti-children camp are seeing hysteria (and drama) where there really isn’t any, and possibly are missing it where it does in fact exist. :dubious:
But as always there is also some great comic relief in this thread. I’ve had a seriously good belly laugh at the best witty posts… so thanks to those who have contributed in that way.
No, just someone in dire need of Dr. Natura.
Jackmannii, that’s seriously hilarious!
Or else I’m just feeling especially ticklish.
I had one in 2001. And I take pills (yeah, more pills, YAY) for being hysterical.
I still don’t like most kids. Usually they’re tolerable, if they’re well behaved and I can ignore them.
My “grandma” gene must have activated, though, because I find myself smiling at exceptionally cute (and well-behaved) youngsters. However, see second paragraph above.
How do you know that you aren’t in denial?
As for my bias, I know that I am far less likely to be able to tolerate bad behavior than those who love children, but the only time I notice children is when their behavior forces me to. So my bias is most likely immaterial to the discussion at hand.
I have never said anything else. It is you that jumped to the conclusion that I was talking about all children or anything that children do.
You are really an interesting person. How did what I said turn into you thinking you have the right to dictate how anyone feels or what they do? I don’t care at all if you think I’m an asshole, but that doesn’t give you license to dictate to me or anyone else.
The thing is, I have been describing them accurately - if you are getting alienated by the idea that children can be uncivilized, that is your issue not mine.
They are both both. Misbehaving is a lesser degree of uncivilized.
Which is immaterial. If they are misbehaving so badly that they are acting uncivilized, then that word is the most descriptive term.
Then you are misreading every thing I post. Try reading them in a neutral way, rather than in a hostile way.
Sigh. Go re read the OP and see where the alienation started. Go read my OP and see how hostile and “puffed up” it was.
Way to completely ignore what I said in favor of rushing to the defense of da chyldren again.
Well, I didn’t say they didn’t need to supervise, I said curb their behavior.
As for posts where people indicate they think it’s ok for kids to misbehave and the parents should just let them, try Tuesday at 01:48 PM post by flonks - “Nowadays its different, and that’s a major achievement, although does not seem to be shared by everybody here. If a kid feels that somebody is not right, if something is not right, then it will not always obey - if its an intelligently raised kid. Not suck up. Teachers and other authorities have less power over kids nowadays.”
Lynn’s post of Tuesday at 04:28 PM gave examples of mothers that didn’t feel they needed to curb their kids behavior.
In flonks post of Tuesday at 03:39 PM, s/he thought it was funny that a child went behind the cashier and asked for candy, which hardly gives one the impression that s/he thought the parent should have curbed that behavior.
And those are just the ones I can see on review.
You are sensitive because you continue to believe that my calling a spade a spade on a message board is somehow insulting and demeaning to children you don’t know, will never meet and who will never read this. You just cannot seem to deal with anything seriously negative about children.
Look at it this way - if I (for some bizarre reason) had a dog that went about biting people for no reason, would you consider it demeaning and belittling to tell me that I have a vicious dog?
Where? I highly doubt that you will be able to find a post where I said anything is always anything.
Not quite sure where you got the idea that I wouldn’t tell a parent their kid was acting like a heathen.