I didn’t say I thought Kalhoun was full of shit. You did. You have asked for cites and not gotten them, so you’re entitled to say that AFAIK. Since I’m not following that part of the conversation, I don’t give a damn about it and I’m not going to get involved. Why should I?
Please point out any instance of “hand waving” on my part. I am actually not even reading the exchanges with you and Kalhoun. Not interested in what either you or she is saying. Not my job to police the thread, asking all and sundry for cites, or discipline those making rude comments. Why don’t you call out curlcoat for not offering cites? I don’t notice you doing that either.
I am not following your conversation and I’m not going to start. You ask for cites in your conversations, I’ll ask for them in mine. Unless you’re going to go ahead and ask curlcoat for some cites. I’m waiting.
This is a message board, it’s EVERYONE’s conversation, dimwit. You only ask for cites from curlcoat to denigrate the poster, not from any highbrow sentiment about backing up what one is saying, which is how it should be.
Really? Are you reading every thread on the board and asking everyone for cites? No. You’re following the parts that interest you. I’m doing the same. I’m literally NOT READING YOUR BULLSHIT and wish I weren’t now, but you keep quoting me, so unfortunately, I’m noticing you.
Ask curlcoat for a cite, otherwise you’re a hypocrite and not holding yourself to the same standard to which you’re holding me. Me? I ask for cites about things I give a shit about. You don’t qualify.
ETA: dimwit? What is it with these grade school insults? You’re just saying that to “denigrate the poster,” no doubt. I guess you’re a hypocrite in that area too.
You tiresome, anti-social, pitiful basement-dwelling troll. You’re not even a little creative. You really need to come up with another diversion tactic. Your idiocy is shinin’ through, as per usual. You’re about as clever as phlegm.
I haven’t read over your slapfight with Kalhoun, so I have no idea what you want a cite for. Not going to find out either. But as of now, I think I will take your above excellent advice. Bye.
My mentions of these discussions to those I know have mostly ended up with jaws hanging in disbelief at the, uh, unique translations you all create from what I write. And the best part is, I actually reported what you all had said without editing it, unlike you. Of course, I wasn’t at a cocktail party so maybe you can blame it on the booze…
Now, imagine how my posts have been twisted around by folks like this one here. It seems that, at least when it comes to children, the world is black and white. Either you love kids and are an OK person, or you don’t love kids and you are evil.
[li] there’s probably no such thing as an unassailably good reason for anyone, anywhere, anytime to have a kid. That is to say, that for any child-having decision made by a person, there are very likely to be conceivable, reasonable arguments not to have the child. Given that, does it really matter whether some of the pro-child-having rationales are selfish in nature?[/li][/QUOTE]
It seems to matter to the parents quite a bit for some reason. I don’t know why it is that they just can’t admit that the only reason they had kids was because they wanted them - maybe kneejerk reaction to all of the press on global warming and vanishing recourses?
Society as a whole benefits from some replacement level of children - yes, I quite agree with that. The thing is, far too many people are just willy-nilly having kids because “it’s what you do” and they seem to be raising their children with the same lack of focus and concern. Not to mention all of those who are having children they flat cannot afford to have. For some bizarre reason, all of these children loving people don’t see anything wrong with allowing anyone to have and raise kids, no matter how immature, impoverished, abusive or crack-addicted they might be. Then God forbid anyone mention that maybe it isn’t such a good idea to keep paying people like that to have babies and to keep throwing taxpayer money at them when they do because “OMG we are talking about children eleventy one!!!”
I do think it would be nice if some of that money was thrown at all of the chronically under- and un-employed adults out there but that’s a different subject - except when parents try to justify having children by saying we need workers.
Some of the hardcore childfree talk about “breeder brain” - I am seeing an awful lot of it in here.
Well, no, because you are agreeing with me! Don’t be fooled by the way that most here twist what I post. I can sum up my opinion on all this quite quickly -
I don’t like children in general and tend to avoid them. I really dislike those who are making unchecked noise/a mess/running about in places like restaurants and stores. “Kids will be kids” as an excuse for uncontrolled brattiness needs to die a quick death.
Part of the reason I don’t like children is the way that they are constantly forced into my life and my checking account, while the parents say “you HAVE to put up with it, society says you do” as if society has always made the best choices. :rolleyes:
Another part of the reason I don’t like children is I’m not big on pushy jerks of any age, and children do tend to be extremely self centered. The current trend of treating all children like God’s gift to creation makes them even more entitled.
So, to sum it up - I live in a high population area, surrounded by children who have been taught that they shit rainbows and butterflies, and parents who demand that I sacrifice anything and everything because they managed to reproduce. On top of that, they are doing their best to squeeze me out of my life’s work, as well as denying the right to marry to many of my friends. Can you see why I am less than thrilled with children?
And yet many people posted many times trying to defend themselves from the idea that having children is selfish. Apparently, they felt the need to defend that choice.
I am beginning to wonder about him/her (which is it?). Long ago I told him/her that I wasn’t going to bother with his/her (oh the hell with it) his posts and yet he is still trying to get me to respond. I am not so bored at any time that I am even going to take the time to read what someone like that posts.
