“People with diabetes shouldn’t inject insulin publicly!”

I am opening a new thread to try to allow the original thread to get back on course, and to see if others have opinions on the topic.

In this thread ( Atkins is stupid), Campion compared a diner at a restaurant who injected herself with insulin with drug users (describing her as “shooting up”), and described her as “icky.” He or she backpedaled, saying that what they were doing was “in poor taste,” but later finished with a nice post equating insulin injections with blowing one’s nose or adjusting one’s privates, and calling for those of us who have to worry about this to be “discreet” when we do it.

x-ray vision is a bit less ambiguous, calling us uncouth for not stepping away from the table. milroyj, in its inimitable style, takes it further by saying that we should not take care of personal needs in public and comparing insulin injection to changing a dirty diaper.

To all of these people, I offer a big hearty fuck you very much. My son had his onset of diabetes at three. All his life, essentially, (he is now 10) he has known a daily regimen of at least four blood testings and at least three shots per day. His diet is regimented, in terms of types and amounts of food that he must have at each meal. He is very good about not eating the party snacks at school kids bring for their birthdays (always bringing them home in a little baggie for “later”) and trades in his Halloween candy for little dollar store prizes from us.

When we go out to eat, we must check his blood first. After he eats, he gets an injection of Humalog, which is adjusted depending on his initial blood sugar level and how much he ate. To check his blood, we use a lancet that pricks his finger, yielding a drop of blood. We wipe this from his finger with a bit of napkin. He has a small kit with syringes, insulin and his tester. When we give him his insulin, we open the kit, lay it on the table, take out the little bottle of Humalog, take one of the syringes (they are about the size of a third of a pencil), draw up the insulin, and give him an injection in his arm. The risks associated with hyperglycemia are manifold, and we have to maintain close control, as it is called, to try to stave off these consequences as best we can.

Apparently, some people are so put off at staring at us while we do this, that we should step away from our table, go hide out in the bathroom, or take it somewhere else out of the public view.

You silly little selfish fuckers. Your inability to stop staring at our activities to prevent yourself from being disgusted, combined with your inability to have a small bit of understanding of the troubles that someone else has to go through on a daily basis, suggests to me that you are quite thoughtless, selfish and ignorant assholes. I will not have my son feel that he has to hide out of sight while he “shoots up” because he has diabetes. He is not in any way like a dirty diaper. We will be no more discreet than sitting at our own table, interacting quietly with one another. Take your nosiness and your disgust and shove it up your ass. Keep crying and I’ll come over and take a dump on your entrée. That’ll give you something to whine about.

I just wanted to assert that assuming standard techniques of testing and injecting are used, there should be no risk to the public from blood exposures when a diabetic pokes a finger and/or injects insulin.

So I’d like to try to take that issue off the table before this goes too far.

QtM, MD

A hearty fuck you right back at’cha for being so inconsiderate of everyone else at the restaurant. I can’t say I’m revolted by the idea of someone injecting a needle into their body but it’s certainly an unusual site and there are some who are really squeamish about such things. Is it really so hard to use the needles elsewhere? If not the bathroom then why not the car before entering the restaurant or is this kind of thing so time sensitive that you’ve got to do it moments before eating?
Marc

It is very time dependent. As I explained, we have to do it moments AFTER he eats. We have found that even relatively brief delays result in increases in his A1C readings (a more global indicator of the degree of control that we are achieving, measured at his quarterly visits to the hospital).

Unusual sight? Sorry, not compelling. Squeamish? Well, I understand that there are ranges of comfort with watching an injection, SO DON’T WATCH. Damn, to actually see the needle on these particular syringes entering the skin, you’d have to be standing over our shoulder. They are about a quarter of an inch long.

So go about enjoying your meal, Marc. No worries, as long as you aren’t leaning over my son’s shoulder.

Hentor, seriously. I realize that I’m pounding my head against a wall at this point, but I’m apparently a glutton for punishment. It is disappointing and disheartening in a person with your usual class and style to misrepresent my position in so flagrant a manner. I realize that this is a sensitive subject for you, and that as a consequence your heart is leading your brain. My fault, for failing to tag sarcasm as such in a prior post? Okay, I’ll take that. But, please, in the future, when you want to ascribe some position to someone so that you can pit the position, select another poster. I’m tired of it.

In short, Hentor, and respectfully: may I have that straw man when you’re done with it? I would like to put it in my garden to scare away the birds.

I need to take insulin within 15 minutes before I start eating, so, at decent restaurants, no, the car before entering the restaurant is not an option.

When I’m eating with friends for the first time I’ll ask if they’re squeamish about needles as I have some friends who wouldn’t be able to eat after watching me take a shot.

I’m something of a heretic w/regards to needle safety in that I inject through my shirt into my stomach, so it’s not like I’m standing up and dropping trou to take my shot.

Here’s a little tip: If you’re going to get grossed out by the sight of somebody at the next table taking a shot, there’s this neat trick you can do. It’s called “looking the other direction.”

I’m fairly certain Miss Manners, Emily Post and other etiquette gurus frown on on picking one’s teeth at the table with a toothpick. If that’s verboten, I think it would be an even greater trespass to perform medical procedures at the table.

If your son’s diabetes is severe enough to need injections mere seconds after he eats, maybe going out to eat at a restaurant isn’t the best option.

This is where both sides of the issue need to take a big step back and look at it from the other person’s point of view.

Hentor, most of us do not have to deal with getting injected three times a day, and feel that injections are the sort of thing that you either get at the doctor. Seeing an insulin injection in the middle of a crowded restaurant is outside their experience and not the sort of thing they may be interested in when chowing down on some oysters. You deal with it daily and don’t consider it out of the ordinary, they do.

Others… Hentor, and everybody else who deals with insulin has to inject it constantly, it’s rude to expect them to run off and hide all the time. You don’t like needles, look away for a few seconds and all will be back to “normal” soon.

You are wrong, Hentor. No one is comparing your child to a dirty diaper. And guess what…you’re probably embarrassing the hell out of him. He’s going to wonder why you were so rude as to put him on public display. There is absolutely no need to parade his illness in front of people while they’re dining. You want to raise public awareness? Schedule some time at school and talk to the students about it.

I guess my idea for a tableside circumcision business isn’t going to go anywhere.

If you think the dinner table is appropriate for this, then so be it. There are those of us that don’t, which you found out already in another thread. If you want to keep arguing and handing out “fuck you”, have a blast.

Enough already wth the “run off and hide” talk and “ashamed” nonsense. It may be back to “normal” soon if I pee in a bottle at the table, and people can mind their own business and turn away, but that’s really not the point.

Any time-dependant thing you or your loved ones need to do to maintain good health short of an enema, go ahead. I’ll get over it. I go to restaurants for the food, not to watch people, and I can manage to confine my sphere of indignation to what happens at my table and mine alone.

Good health to your son, Hentor, and to you. Ethilrist.

We have been taking the two year old twins and the six month old to restaurants from time to time, and the little one will need to feed sometimes. We solve this problem by getting tables in the corner if possible, and Mrs. Moto drapes a blanket for modesty’s sake.

Now, we know lots of people dispense with the blanket, but we find it necessary not only for our comfort, but for the sensibilities of our fellow diners.

I say do what you need to do, but do it while exercising a modicum of discretion. If someone is offended while this is going on, they’re looking too hard.

How many moments? Seriously, is ten seconds too long? Five? If so, is a public eatery the best place to take your son? If it’s more like 20 or 30 seconds then you have time to take him to the toilet and perform the procedure away from the other patrons, patrons who are paying for the meal and not the priviledge of watching you perform intraveinous medical procedures on your kid.

Seriously, some people get really freaked out by shit like that. I used to date a girl who couldn’t even stand the sight of a needle, let alone the sight of blood. If she ever sat opposite you and your family in a restaurant and saw you injecting your son she’d probably throw up. Some people are just weird about stuff like that.

Knowing this, as I’m sure you do, it’s your responsibility as a considerate diner to take your son to the bathroom.

How many moments? Seriously, is ten seconds too long? Five? If so, is a public eatery the best place to take your son? If it’s more like 20 or 30 seconds then you have time to take him to the toilet and perform the procedure away from the other patrons, patrons who are paying for the meal and not the priviledge of watching you perform intraveinous medical procedures on your kid.

Seriously, some people get really freaked out by shit like that. I used to date a girl who couldn’t even stand the sight of a needle, let alone the sight of blood. If she ever sat opposite you and your family in a restaurant and saw you injecting your son she’d probably throw up. Some people are just weird about stuff like that.

Knowing this, as I’m sure you do, it’s your responsibility as a considerate diner to take your son to the bathroom.

Un-fucking-believable. What you don’t know about diabetes is truly shocking. People with diabetes actually do have a life, they enjoy eating out, they might even be standing next to you at WalMart someday. Careful, it might be contagious!

Ethilrist, Hentor, Hentor’s child and all others who cope on a daily (hourly) basis with this disorder - my nurse’s cap is off to you all.

While we are at it, could we forbid the following from dining in public:

Those with tracheostomies.
Those who have fewer than the optimal number of limbs.
Ugly people (you know who you are).
People more than 20% over their ideal body weight.

</sarcasm>

When I see someone injecting insulin, I feel a surge of relief that me and my kids are so fucking healthy.

Be as discrete as possible is good advice in every situation (except perhapse raising a fire alarm) But there should be no reason to hide if something you have to do might upset others.

^^ This is an eminently sensible observation. ^^

Some folks are squeemish about needles, so I guess I can kind of see their point of view. But take a second to rationalize and the average person I think would be fine with it. Me? I’ll watch needles and blood and eat my steak rare, it wouldn’t bother me. I’m also willing to drink milk and watch a woman breast feed.

For my next trick, I’ll eat this fish…