'Perfect' Christians going to hell?

Okay providing that christianity is right and that all other religions are wrong ive found a few loop holes that make many pure fun loving christians burn in hell for all eternity…

First of all: In the second world war the Vatican was behind and helped the
Nazi/German (not all Germans were nazis and most websites that gave me the info for the Vaticans involvement just refered to who they helped as nazis) group activley… im not sure if the pope himself supported germany but i’m assuming he did and if he did does that not mean that everybody that fought against germany is going to hell? As god the holy spirit himself picks who the next pope his and the pope is gods representative on Earth so wouldn’t that mean that everybody who fought for the American/Brittish/Australian/French ect… armies were going against god’s word directly?

Secondly: The second commandment is complicated for undeveloped minds such as my own and goes a little bit something like this: 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
(forgive me if its wrong i got if off a second rate website)
now what that says to me is that God is a jealous man… thing and it can’t stand you drawing attention away from him… now im not sure if you know but many christians teach their kids about a man called Santa… and immortal man who goes around giving you gifts on christmas time… even the most devout christians’s kids on this tiny island of mine claim we pay our respects to Santa on christmas day… they knew that Jesus died on the cross but that was irrelivent/Usless information… so teaching your kids about santa clause is dissobeying the second commandment correct? and if you dissobey a commandment and you dont repend you go to hell right? (not looking for opinions as i do believe god (if he exists) wouldnt send somebody to hell for fighting what he believed in or making his/her children happy)

Thanks for reading my extremley long first thread and if i got any info wrong on this page… sorry… the only education on the subject i have ever had was yr 10 ‘religous ed’ (currently half way through yr 11 religous ed)

A review of the two books that were at the center of the Pius XII/Nazi controversy a few years ago. The general opinion seems to be that Pius XII didn’t do anywhere near as much to “help” Germany as his detractors say he did, and that what he did do he had not much choice about (being surrounded by Germany’s ally and eventually, by the Nazis themselves).

No…however, the unrepentant are surely going to have a place in hell. Luke 13:1-5

Please elaborate on your no… i would like to see if my theories are completley wrong before bringing them to my R.E. teacher… (trying to find a way to get her back for not giving me a lollypop :smiley: )

Human opinions on the fates of their fellow humans souls are human opinions on the fates of human souls. You man give such opinions whatever authority you personally wish to give them, and those pesons will be the judges you have chosen.

I tend to grant that authority only to Jesus. There is some biblical precedent for this, although that is not the reason that I do so. There is also some biblical precedent for the belief that He condemns no one. That is not the reason I have faith in His mercy.

Theology is dangerous stuff. I usually avoid it. I especially try to avoid prescribing theology to others. However, I assure you that God loves you, Christ loves you, and you can rely on that love, beyond this world.

Tris

So what are the reasons?

Your thoughts on graven images occurred to Christians themselves some little while ago. About thirteen centuries ago in fact. The Emperor Leo III the Isaurian was the first Iconoclast emperor. (Iconoclasts are those who strictly adhere to the second commandment.) Images of Jesus, Mary, etc were destroyed all over the empire. The opposing faction, the iconodules, after a century or so of strife, eventually won the day.

Miracles. Little tiny miracles, but they were enough to build my faith. Not enough to win a debate, but I kind of lost interest in debates about it. Not enough to become a religious leader, and I thank God for that! (Thank you, Lord!)

But, if you don’t have a miracle, try the love of your fellow man for its own sake. It’s a good idea. And watch out for the miracle, it could come at any time.

Tris

IANA Religious Leader of any sort. I’m just a Christian, and the following are my personal beliefs, which should not be ascribed to any other person or group, but may be helpful to your understanding.

As I understand it, God objects to idols because idols are what we humans a) worship or b) value more than our relationship with Him. Do I worship Santa? Uh, no. Is Santa more important to me than God? Also no. Would I talk to my kids about Santa? Sure, why not? I’d also talk to them about mermaids and unicorns and other old legends, none of which I worship, but are neat stories. (I think money and the Perfect Christian Image are more worrisome idols for most modern Christians, but that’s just me.)

However, there are Christians who teach their children that there is no Santa for that very reason. They include a subset who find it significant that “Santa” contains the same letters as “Satan.” I think they’re silly, but I’m not the boss of them.

I understand that those are your words for their knowledge, but if you have professing Christians that find the death of Jesus on the cross – a defining and fundamental tenet – is irrelevant or useless we may be talking about a group of Christians who aren’t really into the details of their faith. At this level, a lot of thought about what Santa represents and how that relates to your walk with God is not going to occur.

YMMV, of course.

Yes thats all very good for you but the question is do the kids worship Santa? I would have to say that when kids leave offerings (milk and cookies) for Santa on christmas time, that is worshiping to an extent… also when kids scream their heads off and drag their mothers to a Santa at a mall… and want to go home as fast as they can from a church… i regard that as worship too…

Yeah… i was kinda wondering why there were large amounts of images of Jesus everywhere (movies, on crosses in church… pictures of him at the last supper)

To clarify my intentions: I’m not trying to judge people or convey my opinoin that they will burn for an eternity for making their children happy… if anybody is going to burn in hell for an eternity its me (my views are incredibally blasphemous to almost every religion i know) but what i am trying to do is make people aware of certain problems of christianity (which it doesnt look like i have done now)

Okay so you admit that he did help a little bit… if not much… what happens to those who belive that the pope was really fully behind Germany? What happend to the minority who thought “If the Pope… God’s messenger on Earth says its right then i must help him” would they go to hell…? And also you must recognise god knew this was going to happen… being omnicient and all decided to place certain people around Rome… or even Emperor Constantine himself in Rome… of course nobody could claim to understand God’s intentions, by doing that God may have been sending his followers to Hell (Being omniscient i doubt he wouldnt have made such rules as “Thou Shalt Not Kill” if he didnt want people to kill for him)

What happens to all of God’s children? They are loved by their Creator. No one is perfect. A merciful God has relieved us of the burden of making those decisions about who is “worthy.” Our duty is to love each other as is.

What happens to all of God’s children? They are judged and some go to hell… i am asking if these ones will go to hell for these specific actions… and i seriously dont consider the Christian God as merciful and all… Rivers of blood… Locust and all that… and once again i am not trying to judge or condem im just trying to do this from a philophical point of view…

We’re all going to Hell in a greased handcart. I thought this was firmly established when women started wearing pants.