Read above this was not fire with fire this was how can Obama be seen as more elitist oh that’s right let us make an ad mocking the 21% of Americans who do not use email/computers.
Attack if you must, but at least attack with something to gain votes not just lose them.
For the umpteenth time, this was a stupid ad and whoever told him it was a good one needs to be fired.
RyJae, remind me to never hire you as a campaign manager.
You want Obama to ignore something as fundamental as claiming McCain is out of touch with the mainstream and focus on calling him a douche-bag for dumping his first wife? Not that he isn’t, but that would be political suicide for Obama.
Surrogates? Sure. Concerned voters with a little venom? Yeah, why not.
But if Obama floated an ad that said, “McCain chases young trim. And I approve this message”, his poll-rating would plummet.
That would be about the dumbest ad he could come up with.
My point couldn’t be any more confused by you if I mixed my thoughts up using random make believe words. So maybe you fit right in with the other politicians, do you need a manager?
Fuck it I’m not wasting my day arguing with someone over this. I know it cost him one vote and I’m sure I am not alone. It was a bad move politically but his supporters will say it wasn’t, McCain supporters will say it was and both sides will look at independents like they are not worthy.
Well, maybe you should try to be a little clearer then. What the fuck are you trying to say? I mean besides, " … a good dig at (McCain’s) first marriage." You think that wouldn’t have cost Obama votes?
And speaking of your mixed up thoughts … I fit in with other politicians? And you? You are the beacon of truth in these trying times claiming for once and all what is politically expedient?
If this is the ad that causes you to unstraddle the fence, then it wasn’t going to take much.
I’m not going to argue either. You and I obviously disagree over the worth of this ad. I find it functional you find it … “oh my god it’s so egregious!!”
And yet, McCain’s ad lying about Obama’s wish to teach kindergarten students about sex didn’t sway you at all. Oh that is perfectly within the pale. Not one vote should have been moved over that one.
It seems to me you weren’t straddling any fence. You were just standing near it and hoping people would think you were straddling it.
Gotta go watch football now.
I think even Obama’s detractors, at least the ones with a room-temperature IQ or higher, have to admit that he’s a capable politician who would understand that making fun of his opponent’s war injury would simply not be a good political move, to say the least.
The only doubt that can be raised if somebody supports this ridiculous assertion is to whether they are deceptively attempting to whip up fake outrage or dumber than a bag of dog shit.
Thank fucking god you said this in the pit you complete and total idiot. Using paper documents or actually talking to people face to face or by phone does not compare to using the pony express nor is in comparable to being unable to read or write. Are you being this obtuse on purpose or does it just come naturally?
Maybe you just think you’re being clever. Here’s a tip. Spend more time thinking about your opponents argument and less time thinking of witty retorts. It’ll make you a better person.
Or as I’ve suggested repeatedly in the great debates thread, they could just send in an actual document. You know, one of them paper things with words on them that they still use in technologically backwards stupid nations.
I’ll say it again. Why does the president need to use a computer? I’ve already listed perfectly legitimate and viable alternatives to sending everything via email. Tell me why any president needs to be able to use the internet to do the job properly.
Not a valid comparison. Not even close.
Oh fuck you, you pompous asshole. You know precisely what I’m getting at, you just choose to pretend to be oh so much more knowledgeable than we poor hoi-palloi.
You can pretend all you want that in this day and age, leaders of countries don’t need to know anything other than how to point and utter commands, but it makes you look like an idiot, not me.
I’m curious what you do for a living. Me? I work in an office where everything is handled electronically. What, do you work in like a 19th century Scribner’s shop or something?
And I’ve listed perfectly legitimate and viable reasons why the LEADER OF THE FUCKING FREE WORLD ought not to be an out of touch douche-bag, but you don’t care. As long as it’s not an eee-ville Lib’ral all is hunky-dory.
I am making valid arguments. You are virtually sucking McCains shriveled little dick. So, pucker up and make sure to jiggle the balls.
You fucking knob.
No, you’re right. Todays modern leaders do everything electronically. They don’t even hold traditional meetings anymore in favor of power point presentations and webinars.
There’s a reason you haven’t given me a single reason that the president needs to be able to use a computer. There isn’t one. There isn’t one fucking thing that the president needs a fucking computer for. Nothing. He can talk to aids. He can read reports on actual fucking paper. He can use a fucking phone. There is absolutely nothing that he needs to use email to do. Democracy will not grind to a halt nor will the world end because the president can’t use gmail.
Do you work in an office at the white house? Cause otherwise what you do at your job has fuck all to do with the presidency.
You haven’t listed shit. You make it sound that the president of the united states can’t do his job or get any information at all because he can’t use a computer. That is completely false.
Yup. That’s me. Somewhere off to the right of Shodan and Mr. Moto.
Oh dude. You totally nailed me there. I mean, there’s absolutely no reason why an Obama supporter could ever find fault with any of the well crafted arguments that you’ve put forth.
And just a reminder. When you actually put forth a well crafted argument, be sure to send me a link. I’d really like to see it.
You know that precisely the point I have been making is not that the President of the United States needs to be able to Google something, but that he should have the fucking brains and drive to at least learn how to.
But keep up with your retarded examples of how he can get around having to have clue.
The birth of this argument was Obama’s ad pointing out how out of touch McCain is, using his computer illiteracy as a perfect example. And you’re argument? Oh he can have someone do that for him.
It would concern me that the man or woman leading my country couldn’t send an email if he wanted to. Oh, but as long as he can get someone to do that shit for him, there’s nothing to worry about. Yeah, that just fills me with confidence in him. Why don’t we cut out the middle man and just elect his IT chief?
And I would hope that the shit that I do for a living is a little easier than being the fucking President.
So because he doesn’t know how to use a computer, which is also highly debatable, he’s stupid. You’re using a computer right now, and you clearly haven’t got a brain in your head.
Not my point at all, but thanks for playing.
No dumbass. He doesn’t need to use email at all. There is no reason for him to use email. There is at this point in time no reason for any president to need to use email.
No sir. Your job is way more complicated than being president because you use computers.
Are you sure about that. Because every frikkin’ gov’t agency I’ve seen uses email. The prez doesn’t have to be a sys admin, but not knowing howto use email…laughable. My MIL is 80 and she knows how to use email.
Yep. I said that right along with my endorsement of the pony express.
Wait. No. Never said that. Believe I said paper, phones, and people. Still perfectly acceptable forms of communication, right? Oh I’d hate to think I’d missed our vocal cords becoming obsolete. My face would be red.:o
Not to mention as has been said, he is learning how to use email/internet and the only thing he has a problem with is typing. But never mind that. Go ahead and bash him on being old and not tech savvy. It’s not like there are any real reasons to be against his campaign.
Harborwolf, you’re a fucking tool. Perhaps you can take McPalin’s dick our of your mouth for a moment to get some air. I think you’re brain is dying.
McCain not being able to e-mail is an issue because it’s fucking faster than reading a stack of papers you simplistic fuck. The amount of correspondence a modern executive goes through is staggering compared to 20 years ago. I don’t want a crisis decision to be made uninformed by McCain because the fucking printer at the WH is jammed. If he needs someone to stand in between his emails and him he gets a huge stack of papers in the morning and gets updates when his staff has time to write the notes down and print them for him. It’s a stupid way to run a business. If you can’t understand the advantage of e-mail in a modern workplace, may I humbly suggest you’re a fucking idiot.
And you don’t need to be able to type to read an navigate emails. You just have to be willing to learn.
Golly. This thread just keeps getting funnier. You people sure do have my politics nailed.
PC Load Letter? Oh no. The world is doomed. DOOOOOOMED! You do realize that that scenario is just as ridiculous as having to torture a suspect because a bomb is hidden somewhere, right? Or what if the next president has to read an urgent email and the network is down. End of civilization.
What if, and I know this sounds ridiculous, someone just tells him the information.:eek: I know.
In case it hasn’t occured to you, reading a bunch of emails is going to take just as long as reading a stack of papers because it’s still reading.
Already covered. He is learning. Don’t let that get in the way of your knee jerk liberalism though. I know I don’t let thought get in the way of my knee jerk conservativism.
So you don’t understand that e-mail has made people more productive?
Someone telling him means the info has to be filtered through someone else you fucking numbskull. You think the scrub they have going through President McCain’s email is gonna know what’s important and what isn’t? It takes less time to amass and assess a large quantity of knowledge electronically. That’s why businesses use it.
Please print out and hand me your reply to this thread. 
If he hurries, he can make the aeromail on the 4:30 autogyro!
Dear me. You don’t realize that email is a thoroughly recent invention and that presidents, even in the very recent history, have done just fine without them do you?
But do continue believing that without email, John McCain is living in an information vacuum except for the great great news his aides are going to give him.
And by the way, the 4:30 autogyro is late. Got hung up in Prussia.
It’s okay I’m going by way of Dirigible. They say we can go around all the Ike nonsense blahe blahe.
The trouble is every other head of state on Earth is using electronic communication. So it puts us at a disadvantage if McCain is less informed than everyone else.
Also it’s pathetic.
We must close the email gap!
I just don’t see the tremendous disadvantage of getting stacks of paper that no doubt Bush 1 and possibly Clinton recieved during the morning briefing.
Well, the information would be dreadfully out of date.