I transgressed.
Slipped up.
I used “or some such” in a recent post.
I don’t really like that phrase, and it even felt funny as I was writing it.
Belongs in the same rotten camp as “if you will” and “what have you”.
I don’t think I’ve seen any examples of what you call “custom-made” except maybe in 19th century novels. I’ve only seen examples of what you call “bespoke.” But it was never called bespoke in my memory earlier. To me, bespoke is Brit-speak; custom (or custom-made) is US-speak, and that’s the only difference.
Really? - you’ve never seen a furniture store where you choose the fabric for a particular chair (which has already been designed and is not unique) which will take 12-16 weeks to get to you because it isn’t assembled until you order it - like this one
https://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/naples-swivel-chair-upholstery/?pkey=cswivel-chairs .
It used to be more common than it is now to choose the fabric for sofas and chairs - even chain stores allowed you to choose the fabric from a large selection. Now, at the chains you get to choose from 2 or 3 colors tops and it gets delivered in a couple of days and if you want to choose from 40 fabrics, you’re going to pay more than chain store prices.
You wouldn’t know the difference between a bespoke suit and a made-to-measure one unless you were either told or were present at the fittings. This might do a better job of explaining the difference than I’ve done. (and neither one is an off-the-rack garment that has been altered to fit)
I’ve actually almost never actually seen bespoke anything because it would be way out of my price range ( or the price range of anyone I know) except in very special circumstances. The two times I can think of , it was flower girl dresses where a family member did everything from designing the dress to making the pattern and sewing the dress.
Yes, but I’d never refer to it as “custom-made.” It might be technically correct in the sense you’re using it, but I wouldn’t even think to call it custom. I also don’t think of alterations as making something custom. It would have to be unique design before I’d call it custom. Maybe because I have some knowledge of Latina dressmakers you could go to with an idea in your head, and she’d make it for you. Not necessarily more expensively than a nice, store bought dress either. That’s what I think of when I think of custom, in the clothes sense. I don’t buy men’s suits nor do I wear them, so that’s not in my mental image.
It would behoove you to get used to it.
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I always thought that both meant custom, while bespoke also meant “specifically for you.”
Here’s a link that explains different types of wedding dresses
https://www.yourdreambridal.com/made-to-measure-vs-made-to-order/
I’m not going to say you don’t know dressmakers like you describe, who will design a dress, make a pattern and sew the dress for a price that is not necessarily more than a store bought dress - but that’s also going to depend on how much you normally spend on a store bought dress. I doubt if any dressmaker is going to design and make a dress for $100. Once they’ve paid for material, they wouldn’t be making much more than minimum wage.
Oh, yeah, I agree with you at bottom. I’m just a little more lax in how I use the words. But thanks for the links!
ETA: We’re in the pit. Shouldn’t I be calling you a name or something? 
Might I suggest “ninnyhammer?”
Didn’t they have the Winter Olympics, there back in 1994?
I believe Ninnîhåmmer '94 was the Not Quite Special Enough Olympics.
“going down the rabbit hole”
In its original, Lewis Carroll incarnation, this term signified entering a bizarre and absurd alternate universe.
More recently it’s morphed into expending unintended large amounts of time on the Internet.
The weirdest and most repellent current usage is by people who embrace fake news and conspiracies. They speak approvingly of “going down the rabbit hole”.
All that the crazies are finding down there is darkness and rabbit shit.
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I always thought bespoke just meant incredibly expensive.
I can’t recall whether I have mentioned this before:
Protein to mean meat, fish, eggs, dairy, etc. Protein is a chemical component of these things. Protein is not a food item, dammit!
So you’ll ask, what do we call it? Well, if it’s on a sign or on a restaurant menu, I’m happy with “meat etc.” In other situations, just call it “meat.” I’m happy for the “etc.” to be implied.
Calling it protein puts me off and ruins my appetite.
Same with carbohydrates, or, even worse, carbs. Call it “bread and grains” or something like that. Please.
Do you ever watch any shows on the Food Network? Chef’s refer to proteins as components to their dishes. On certain competitions there will even be a wheel of proteins, to specify what “meat” they need to use in their dish. Is fish meat? Are eggs meat? Are organs meat? I’m not saying you’re wrong to not like it when it is called that, but that’s what the professionals do. I watch enough of these shows that it has never hit my ear wrong anyway. Again, not trying to argue about what you personally find irritating, just that it might be difficult for chefs to only use the word “meat” in this context.
ETA: Also carbohydrates are in all kinds of foods, not just bread and grains. Fruit has carbohydrates for example. (sorry, I’ve been really watching my diet and learning a lot about nutrition since my doctor told me to start watching my cholesterol last year, I’m just being a stickler I guess lol)
Yes. Murder them for me, please. And then scrawl “meat or meat substitute” in their blood on the wall.
Well, that’s the point, isn’t it. When you need to refer to the actual chemical in the fruit that is the subject of your specific inquiry, you refer to it specifically. You don’t point at a pile of Apples, Peaches, Bananas, and Pears and tell someone to pick one’s choice of carbs.
So you just mean specifically on menus?
I guess I’m coming from a personal nutrition stand point and that I’m trying to understand what’s in everything I’m eating so I am actually being as healthy as I’m trying to be.
I guess I don’t really have an issue with menu wording. I’ve never actually seen a menu that gives a list of “carbs” to choose from. I have seen menus with salads where they charge extra to add a “protein”.
I mean when people are talking or writing about food, what’s being eaten, or what’s going to be eaten, and they refer to the food item or dish as “a protein.”
If your doctor is telling you “check the label to see how much protein is in a serving of X,” then I’m fine with that, because that’s a specific reference to a chemical component of X, and not X as a whole.
Yes. It annoys the hell out of me.