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A think Fred needs to take a vacation and go hunting and fishing with a buddy.
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I nominate Dick Cheany for that job
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I nominate Dick Cheany for that job
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Good one!
I love that the DJ put Elton John on about halfway through the link.
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I wonder…could we sicc Phredd on Paris Hilton?
I mean, if we really tried…
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The images of a Hilton-Phelps breed scare me.
Crazy Fred is not the only member of the Batshit Brigade to attempt to exploit Heath Ledger’s death.
“Health reporter” Mike Adams, beloved by conspiracy-minded members of the alt med crowd, is sure that Ledger was killed by “our deadly system of pharmaceutical medicine”:
*"Based on the evidence currently available, I believe Heath Ledger was killed by pharmaceuticals. I also believe the MSM (mainstream media) is whitewashing this story, refusing to report the truth and instead attempting to blame the victim for this utterly unnecessary death.
If the available evidence changes following further toxicology studies due out in 10 - 14 days, then I will of course update my opinion on this. And if it turns out that Ledger’s body contained heroin or other illegal drugs, then I will openly retract my statements that currently point the finger of blame at the prescription drugs he was taking."*
Don’t hold your breath. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Jackmannii]
Crazy Fred is not the only member of the Batshit Brigade to attempt to exploit Heath Ledger’s death.
“Health reporter” Mike Adams, beloved by conspiracy-minded members of the alt med crowd, is sure that Ledger was killed by “our deadly system of pharmaceutical medicine”:
*"Based on the evidence currently available, I believe Heath Ledger was killed by pharmaceuticals. I also believe the MSM (mainstream media) is whitewashing this story, refusing to report the truth and instead attempting to blame the victim for this utterly unnecessary death.
If the available evidence changes following further toxicology studies due out in 10 - 14 days, then I will of course update my opinion on this. And if it turns out that Ledger’s body contained heroin or other illegal drugs, then I will openly retract my statements that currently point the finger of blame at the prescription drugs he was taking."*
Don’t hold your breath. :rolleyes:
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Ok, don’t know this guy, and don’t buy the whole ‘whitewashing’ crap, but - isn’t it true that a bad mixture of pharmaceuticals can indeed kill some one, and may indeed be the cause of death here?
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He certainly doesn’t seem to be the full quid. I only saw the bit where she said to him “Mr Phelps I hope one day you do get to meet your creator and you can explain yourself to him.” I chuckled at that but he started talking again so I changed channels.
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At least she had the self-restraint not to add, “The sooner the better.” I’m not sure I would have.
[QUOTE=mhendo]
Well, i’m not interested in trying to account for the logic or consistency of the Westboro Baptist Church’s belief system, but it is worth noting that, historically, there are a number of important Calvinist belief systems that saw nothing inconsistent in preaching both Predestination and also the absolute need to obey God’s moral law.
Perhaps the most obvious, in an American historical context, are the Puritans who settled Massachusetts Bay. Like other Calvinist groups, the Puritans were very careful to argue that predestination did not free people from God’s strictures regarding behavior. In his famous “Treatise on the Covent of Grace,” Puritan theologian John Cotton went to considerable lengths to convince his listeners that the Covenant was not a license to disobey the moral law:So, while obedience to the Mosaic Law (the ten commandments and other Laws of Moses) will not determine whether or not you are saved, obedience is nonetheless required by God, under His commandment.
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Presumably, this is how they know that “God hates fags.” After all, in their theology, God created some people knowing–and presumably intending–that they would become practicing homosexuals who would die unsaved and burn in hell for all eternity as a glorious demonstration of God’s justice. I mean, you can’t get much more hateful than that. If there’s one thing to say for the WBC–and there isn’t–they certainly don’t shy away from the darker aspects of the Bible. If I didn’t know better, I’d wonder if Phred isn’t an extremely dedicated satirist attempting to draw attention to the moral flaws of fundamentalist Calvinism.
That was a great post BTW, mhendo. I love how Dopers can turn any rant or observation into an opportunity to fight ignorance.
[hijack]Am I the only person who gets annoyed when people use the nickname “Phred” because I immediately think of the Doonesbury character?[/hijack]
No. but not necessarily 'cause of Doonsebury.
[QUOTE=mhendo]
…it is worth noting that, historically, there are a number of important Calvinist belief systems that saw nothing inconsistent in preaching both Predestination and also the absolute need to obey God’s moral law.
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So they are logically inconsistent in the same way as their predecessors. That’s somewhat less than comforting.
Where is Heath’s funeral going to be? I hope it’s in Australia, and I hope the Phelps clan goes fucking broke trying to get there and protest it. It’d be awesome if it cost them like $50k to get their clan out there.
Not to distract from the enlightening and entertaining sidetracks, but on the topic of the OP, I have a little something I’d like to say.
Note: This is not directed at the OP. It’s a general rant of sorts. If anyone thinks this shoe might fit them, well, by god, go ahead and try it on.
Can we please stop talking about this man? I mean, fuck, here are the headlines: “Dancing on Heath Ledger’s Grave”, “Hate Group to Picket Ledger’s”, “Westboro Baptists to Protest Heath Ledger’s Funeral.”
You dumb fucks, this is exactly what the man wants. He wants the attention, coverage, and hate THAT WE GIVE HIM. He pickets these funerals to generate these exact sort of headlines. Goddammit, this guy is a one-note fundamentalist idiot and the moral equivalent of rectal discharge. He is completely undeserving of our attention, scorn, or even a moment’s thought.
Stop talking about him. Marginalize him. Ignore him and his fucking cult. Let them wither and die the sad broken death of fleeting fame lost. Please.
That is all.
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Those Puritans certainly walked a fine line attempting to maintain their Calvinism; i think the uncertainty and anxiety would eventually drive me to drink.
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I recall a contemporary ditty satirical of Calvinism:
You can and you can’t
You will and you won’t
You’ll be damned if you do
You’ll be damned if you don’t
As soon as I heard Heath Ledger died, my very very first thought was that the Phelpsians would have something to say.
Glad to hear he didn’t let me down.
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As soon as I heard Heath Ledger died, my very very first thought was that the Phelpsians would have something to say.
Glad to hear he didn’t let me down.
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Anytime anybody dies, Phelps has something to say about it.
[QUOTE=ivylass]
Anytime anybody dies, Phelps has something to say about it.
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!!! Busy fellow!
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When was the last time they picketed someone who was actually gay? I’m starting to feel left out.
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They try to avoid picketing funerals of actual homosexuals, because too often there are gays among the mourners, and when Fred gets that close to real queers, next thing you know he’s sucking some cock again.
Yeah, once again, not shocked by anything the guy does. You just shake your head and feel sorry for the people being victimized. I did want to compliment Ogre on the thread title, since it calls to mind William Shatner in Star Trek II. Shatner yelling at Phelps - or anything else that makes him a figure of fun out of him - can only be a good thing.
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They try to avoid picketing funerals of actual homosexuals, because too often there are gays among the mourners, and when Fred gets that close to real queers, next thing you know he’s sucking some cock again.
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Win.
[QUOTE=Alan Smithee]
. . . . I mean, you can’t get much more hateful than that. If there’s one thing to say for the WBC–and there isn’t–they certainly don’t shy away from the darker aspects of the Bible. If I didn’t know better, I’d wonder if Phred isn’t an extremely dedicated satirist attempting to draw attention to the moral flaws of fundamentalist Calvinism.
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Are you trying to say their demonstrations at funeral can be considered some sort of performance art?