Pinhead's background (spoilers likely)

Re Doug Bradley

True he is Clive’s old chum, but so is Nicholas Vince (The Chatterer, author of Look See- a story which provides an alternate bio for the Chatterer and was included with Screamin’s first Chatterer midel, Vince has also written several stories for the comic.)

Re- Channard

IIRC Channard had photos and records on Spenser. Though it was Kirsty who found them and reminded the Cenobites of their past, it’s clear that Channard had been planning the same. He defeated Pinhead so easily, because he had spent decades studying Hell. Once transformed into a Cenobite, he was able to fashion weapons that were very effective against them, and to blast Pinhead with a mystical energy that transformed him back into a human. Channard actually says “I’m taking over.”. It’s clearly his plan to defeat Pinhead and become the new lead Cenobite. Judging from the events in H3, Channard didn’t actually return Pinhead to humanity. He seperated Pinhead and Spenser. Leviathan first refashioned Pinhead into a part of a stone pillar, then created the Pillar Of Souls sculpture to heal him and test him. IMHO Leviathan judged Channard unworthy of replacing Pinhead. Pinhead was a strong leader, but he was also a high priest wholly obedient to the will of his god. Channard may have been an expert in mental torture, but he had too much of an ego. He wanted to rule hell, not serve in it. My guess on why Spenser was chosen- He was used to an ordered life, having been in the military so long. Sickened by the incompetence of his leaders and seeking something to cut through the numbness and make him feel again, he was perfect choice. As Leviathan’s favored son, he serves a perfect master. As the pope of the labyrinth, his life is filled with a sacred purpose.
Re Cannon

Clive has written favorably of the Hellraiser comic on several occasions. Considering what he’s said about the film NightBreed (‘Those studio bastards completely screwed my film. They edited it into crap. Then, they had an ad campaign that made it look like another hockey mask and chainsaw slasher film. And they won’t let me re-edit it or release all the footage. Bastards.’), I’m guessing he actually liked the comic. As I’ve said, his pal Nicholas Vince has written for the comic several times.
Differences Between The Comics And The Films- Non Spoilers

LeMarchand’s boxes are far from the only puzzles that serve as Lament Configurations. There are similar puzzles made in different styles by other artists. There are also jigsaws (sounds cheesy, but it ain’t) and a crossword (Neil Gaiman’s Hellraiser story Wordsworth). One story, Songs Of Metal And Flesh, is about a gifted musician who begins to feel that music itself is a puzzle.

The mission of the Cenobites is not just to inflict pain or pleasure, but to impose order on the universe.

The Cenobite’s have pets. These come in all shapes and sizes. They used to be human.

A man named Isadore Klauski escaped from Hell and wrote the occult classic Of Hell, warning others and describing his experiences. He was recaptured and learned he had been allowed to escape. Leviathan had wanted him to write the book, so that it would lure in others.

LeMarchand’s life is quite different from the one shown in H4. Though he began as a toymaker, he had visions of wondrous mehcanisms. None of the metals he attempted were suitable. He heard rumors of a material of perfect order. A chunk of an unidentifiable stone was anonymously mailed to him. The instructions said it must first be boiled in human fat. LeMarchand unhesitatingly killed and butchered his apprentice. He went on to become a mass murderer and make dozens of puzzles.

After a few years, the folks at the comic felt the need for a positive force to oppose Leviathan. Clive created Morte Mamme, the goddess of death and rebirth. Blessed with new abilities and bearing sacred weapons, the Harrowers would journey into Hell to free souls. Once freed, these souls would be reborn through the godess. First, a restoration to their human state and 24 hours to settle earthly affairs. Then, a transformation into something new (a book, a kangaroo, a clown).

The Harrower stories that appeared in Hellraiser (better paper and inks, marked for mature readers) ranged from good to great. Then, some moron at Marvel decided that they should have their own series- on newsprint, with three color inks, and it should be comics code authority approved. They ran the concept into the ground. Hell became a placed filled with giant filing cabinets. Each soul was locked in its private Hell within a cabinet. Morte Mamme would provide the Harrowers with a numbered key and send them on a mission to free that soul. Awful. Horrible. Worse than it sounds. But at least the writers were able to completely screw up the characters before it was cancelled.

The Pinhead comic explained that Pinhead was part Spenser and part ancient spirit. IIRC They had planned to use this concept in H3 (IIRC the director said ‘Spenser wasn’t transformed so much as he was absorbed.’).

Other than the hideous (I know we agree not to speak of Highlander 2. But, just this once, I will. The Harrowers series is that awful and it mangles a good concept and characters just as badly) Harrowers series, I consider the comics canon. I consider H1, H2, and parts of H4 cannon (the H4 Philipe LeMarchand and the comics’ Philipe are totally different, but both are great stories. The comic Philipe had no known children. But, he very well could have any number of illegitimate kids whose descendants have Philipe’s engineering genius and strive to undo his evil). I thought H3 sucked. It ignored all the rules established in the first two films. It ignored the ideas introduced in the comics (by comparison, Predator 2 is almost entirely based on the ideas introduced in Dark Horse comics).

As somebody already said, the comics have a marvellous internal consistency. The writing and art are generally of excellent quality. After several years, Clive was pleased with the comics and happy to create Morte Mamme and the Harrowers. After several films, Clive wanted nothing to do with the movies.

RE H5 and H6

I still can’t believe I didn’t know about these. It’s just wrong. How could it have happened? How can they have been out for years without my knowing? This is not the way reality should be. I feel like I’ve opened the door and found that the world has twisted itself into a shape that should only be possible in the works of Escher.

One important fact I have never seen mentioned in any discussion of the Hellraiser mythos: Barker did not coin the word “cenobite.” I looked it up – it simply means a monk who is part of a monastic order, as opposed to an “eremite” or hermit monk.

I thought that fact was common knowledge. The word appears in any decent dictionary. The Cenobites indeed belong to the Order Of The Gash.

DocCathode or anyone else with good knowledge of the mythos - I don’t understand why is Leviathans perfect order associated with pain and mutilation and other rather disorderly things? Everyone seems to get some kind of special non-standard treatment at the hands of the cenobites and from what I’ve seen in the movies and read here their actions do not seem to make our world more orderly. Any ideas?

WAG - flesh is flawed and they’re trying to make it “better”? (Hey, no one said they were good at their jobs…)

Actually it more likely has to do with the way they take pain to an absolute so that “pain” and “pleasure” become indistinguishable in some kind of f*cked up “perfect balance” like Ying and Yang.

Otherwise, I have no freakin’ clue!

That is the only part of the comics canon which doesn’t quite fit with the others.

However, there is no standard treatment because all humans are different. The Cenobites inflict the proper amounts and kind of pain and pleasure according to their victim.

Their work is aided by Burning Tom. A voyeur in life, he now runs through Hell observing the Cenobites at work. His head is crowned with an aura of flame. The color of the flame changes depending on the amount of pleasure and pain Tom sees.

The only comic I ever read was the first issue of Hellraiser/Nightbreed…how’d that fit into canon? I saw a graphic novel that looks like it’s a collection of random Hellraiser storylines…does anyone know if this is a collection of an entire series, or if it’s just random stories thrown together, kinda like how Marvel does with it’s “essentials” books?

As for the movies, 3 was the first one I saw, and I kinda liked it. I’d enjoy the first two a lot more if the quality of the film was better and I could actually see what was going on in them, but the storylines for those were great. I’ve read The Hellbound Heart and wish they would have kept that wierd bone dragon thingy out of the film…what the hell was that supposed to be, anyway? Some sort of guardian of the box, I know, but still…it was pretty shitty. Other than that, I liked how consistant it was to the story.

Why doesn’t anyone enjoy 3? Again, first one seen, so I’m a little biased, but the visual effects were pretty great, and I thought Pinhead was just awesome in it. Before he was just some creepy guy, this movie really gave him presence. Bloodlines on the otherhand, was a bit much. Was that supposed to be his final death at the end? If so, what happened to him at the end of 3? Was he just returned to Hell, or was he supposed to have been actually destroyed? And in 4, is he still combined with his human half?

I saw the fifth movie and was horrified at it…such a bad, bad miserable excuse for a movie. Total shit. The onlything interesting about it was the updated chatterer…other than that, the plot, imagery, and “acting” of the lead were just attrocious. I’m a little interested in the sixth one from what I’ve read about it here…is it any good, or not worth my time?

I actually enjoyed H3. The Pinny history fit okay, but I think what put some people off was the fact that it was the first that was starting to conform to the Freddy Krueger formula, which on its own would have been okay, but they used dumb Cenobites. The JP (spoiled rich kid) Cenobute was a big yawn. The Cameraman Cenobite was so very, very lame. And the CD Shooting Cenobite was hokey. It kinda panderd to the “slasher flick” crowd rather than being faithful to the eerir gothic mythos of H1 and H2.

“Torso” (the one you say is the “updated chatterer”) is my favourite creepy Cenobite in the films thus far. I read in an on-lin source that he was actually created by Chatterer as a “pet”. “Torso” is a bit of a misnomer seeing as there is very little torso at all. It’s more from the shoulder blades and up.

H5 and H6 aren’t bad as stand alone “B” grade movies (i.e. low expectations), but ONLY if you sort of think of them as lousy Jacob’s Ladder knock-offs. Do NOT think of them as Hellraiser movies or you will be disappointed.

Elvis Rojo The trade paperbacks and hardback editions are just some random stories. As the average issue of Hellraiser contained several complete stories, this isn’t really a problem. It was an anthology series. The Devil’s Brigade story arc is the only one that required reading a previous story.

The crossover you remember was the 2 issue miniseries Jihad. AFAIK It is canon in both the Hellraiser and Nightbreed comics (OTTOMH the Nightbreed comic lasted 22 or 24 issues. The first issue had a unique cover gimmick. It was printed so that parts appeared to have had the ink rubbed off.)The Nightbreed with their variety, mutability, and defiance of the usual laws of nature (The Fabileau family, for example, ages backwards. They are born ancient and grow youthful as the years pass.) are rather tied to the forces of chaos. The Cenobites, as mentioned previously, serve order. Jihad is the result of a group of Cenobites suggesting a crusade to exterminate the NightBreed.

Hey, thanks DocCathode. Just out of curiosity, what happened at the end of the series?

Also, how much of a part do the other cenobites from the movies play in any of the storylines? Is there anymore background given to any of the other popular ones (Butterball, Chatterer, “The Female cenobite”), or are they always just going to be stuck as background characters?

RE Jihad

Trying to avoid spoilers, the upstart group of Cenobites is defeated. But Pinhead tells the Nightbreed ‘Make no mistake. We are not allies. We will destroy you one day. It will be in our own time and by proper orderly methods. It may not happen for ten thousand years. But it will happen.’

The Cenobites from the first two films were sometimes used. AFAIK their personal histories were never given. Of the many new Cenobites created for the comics, some were given special attention.

Balberith- Her dress is made of leather, and her glasses are stitched to her face, but she is in many ways a stereotypical librarian. When her son was dying, she accepted help from a strange man. As he promised, solving the puzzle cured her son but it also opened a door to Hell.

Atkins- Atkins’ life gained meaning in Nam. He excelled at killing and found that order gave him purpose. One particular set of Viet Cong tunnels proved to be a puzzle. Atkins found his quarry and an entrance to the Labyrinth. He is now Hell’s chief armourer.

Face- His story is told in the excellent ‘To Prepare A Face’. Briefly, it’s strongly implied that he is Lon Chaney senior. In Hell he finds new ways to resculpt the flesh to his artistic vision.

Abigor- Rumors say she was Helen or Cleopatra. Abigor is the most openly sexual of the Cenobites. She is a succubus with pale blue skin and shining steel jewelry ornamenting her exquisite flesh.

The comic features countless other Cenobites, but the above are the high ranking elite of Hell.

How much personality does a cenobite hold onto? From the movies, you really don’t see much of any in the big four (Pinhead, Chatterer, Butterball, “The Female”). Three had two that seemed overtly happy, but I don’t know if that’s really a personality really.

I just ask because in the link that FriarTed posted, they have little bios on the big four cenobites, and Chatterer has this huge long winded backstory about how he used to be a comedian, and the way it read was from a first person perspective full of human feeling. It’s like being turned into a cenobite didn’t really do anything to him personality wise, whereas in the first couple films, I got the impression that once one became a cenobite, one was pretty much devoid of emotion and the like.

It varies. The remaking process seems designed to eliminate all personality traits that interfere with obedience or Leviathan’s mission. So depending on the individual, the resulting Cenobite’s mind may be virtually unchanged or it may be wiped almost completely clean.

Does anyone know of a good website that has reviews and possibly scans of any of the comics? Everytime I do a search, all I get are stores selling them, but right now, I’m more interested in just checking out some of the back stories and such.

I haven’t found any scans yet. This site has scans of the front covers, the text of the back covers and lists the contents of each issue.

I recommend calling your local comic book stores. Depending on the local market, issues range from $10 to $1.