Piper Cub thinks there's something hinky going on at Buckingham Palace

I’m shocked to hear that my nation’s monarchy has no established conventions for LGBT monarchs. I assume that Westeros guidelines would be followed?

Would this be a good time to talk about Republicanism? Unfortunately, we missed the opportunity to have Tony Benn as our first elected head of state.

Indeed, but since a king was always the one in charge, whereas a queen might be either a consort or queen regnant, that might, you know, give him ideas - and there was some anxiety in certain quarters about Philip, and most notably his uncle, in the early days.

The only precedents are Mary I’s marriage to Philip II of Spain (not generally considered an unalloyed success) and the joint reign of William III and Mary II (he had some claim in his own right, which is why they had been married in the first place, and more to the point he had seen off Louis XIV, but she lent a little extra legitimacy to what was, in effect, a parliamentary coup d’état).

All dukes are princes in an obsolete lowercase-p usage that probably not even all dukes are aware of, but they’re not all Princes of the United Kingdom.

Both Denmark and the Netherlands have used the same title (Prince) for the spouse of their Queen Regent in the 20th century. I suspect this is a tradition likely to stay - and quite frankly, European monarchies are pretty much just about tradition (and tourism) at this point in time.

Exactly. Charles will be King, whatever title Camilla takes, the Daily Mail reading fantasists just need to get over it, as they dismount from their moral high horses. Charles and Camilla are very clearly very happy, and she is very good for him (unlike Diana).

I believe the Netherlands actually switched to having princesses consort rather than queens consort, but flinched when it finally came time to follow through.

Except, presumably, the Duke of Lancaster, who I’m pretty sure is not a prince

Wouldn’t be wholly surprised to be wrong there mind, odder things have happened with the royals.

Yet he already holds the title President. It makes “Dr and Dr So-and-so” address labels look downright quaint.

The last Duke of Lancaster was Henry V. The Duchy of Lancaster continues to exist, but there is no duke.

There certainly is a Duke of Lancaster. It’s Elizabeth herself.

She possesses the duchy, but she isn’t a duke. The duchy is an asset owned by the crown, not something she has on the side, in a separate role. She cannot be a duke any more than she can hold a drivers license or be granted a passport. (She has consented to use of the title in certain circumstances like toasts, but that just means she’s called a duke. Everybody in England is free to be called a duke if they wish, so long as they don’t commit fraud.)

Eh?

I grew up in Lancaster, she was always, by everyone, referred to as the Duke.

Going to need a pretty good counter cite to convince me otherwise.

Yes, although it may be worth noting that between 2005 and 2016, the title of the Danish Queen’s husband was actually “Prince Consort” (prinsgemal) rather than “Prince” (prins).

I’m inclined to agree, but don’t particularly hope or expect that the Crown will go directly from Elizabeth to her grandson.

I suppose that would depend on her looks, wouldn’t it?

Cool. I’ve never seen a Quern, Dowager or otherwise, before.

Oh, behave!

Indeed. She’s also the Lord of Mann and the Duke of Normandy.

He wasn’t. He married Mary in 1554, and didn’t become king of Spain until 1556. At the time of his marriage, he was Prince of Asturias and Girona (and had a bunch of other titles…their joint titles were “Philip and Mary, by the Grace of God King and Queen of England, Spain, France, Jerusalem, both the Sicilies and Ireland, Defenders of the Faith, Archdukes of Austria, Dukes of Burgundy, Milan and Brabant, Counts of Habsburg, Flanders and Tirol.”. She brought England, France, and Ireland to the table, the rest of the titles were his.)

Mary II’s husband was King William III, but then, he was third in line anyway, behind her sister Anne.

Henrik has been vocally unhappy about that (see post no. 2).

Indeed. A tedious, long-running soap opera, that one.

He’s a cool cat, though - Denmark’s Zlatan, I always say.

There you go.

Shouldn’t she be the Duchess of Lancaster?

How come Diana was Princess Diana, but Catherine is Duchess of Cambridge? William is a Prince, as well as a Duke.