Piper Cub thinks there's something hinky going on at Buckingham Palace

William’s dukedom is his in his own right. He’s a prince because he is the son of the Prince of Wales. In this circumstance Duke takes precedence. At some point William will be PofW and Catherine will be Princess then.

She wasn’t. She was Lady Diana, Princess of Wales until the divorce (Diana, Princess of Wales after). “Princess Di” is just easier to read in large yellow print in the supermarket checkout line -it wasn’t actually correct.

And the media could call her “Princess Kate” - but the palace asked them not to - out of respect for Diana. Which I suspect was a good face covering exercise of "lets keep the hype and princess stories to a minimum here, it had tragic consequences last time - and she ISN’T a princess.

She is entitled to be referred to a Princess William. Which is a usage that has always struck me as arcane. Princess Michael of Kent uses that construction - but as her husband only holds Prince Michael of Kent (his father is styled the Duke of Kent but is still alive), that’s what she has to use.

Another titular convention where males are given short shrift is the styling of Earl’s children. All of an Earl’s daughters are “Lady” but only the eldest son is a “Lord.”

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As mentioned, “Prince” is an ambiguous term. In lower case it can refer to anyone ranking Count/Earl or higher. In Germany the mere son of a Fürst (a rank below Herzog/duke) could be styled Prinz.

On the other hand, when Wales was divided into several Kingdoms the several rulers were each titled Brenin (usually translated King) but when these Kingdoms were united under Llywelyn the Great, he was titled Tywysog Cymru (usually translated Prince of All Wales).

Will Harry become Duke of York when Andrew kicks it? Or not until William becomes King?

(Underline mine) And Viana! :mad: If you’re going to list the princedoms, list all three.

I’m sorry…but I burst out laughing when I read this.

Because, you see…I don’t give a damn how you translate it…
I want to know how you pronounce it. ! :slight_smile:

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If Prince Andrew has no male heirs, the title becomes extinct when he dies. Since it is traditionally given to the second son of the monarch, it’s possible that it could be created again for Harry, but it’s not automatic. Depending on who is the monarch at the time of Andrew’s death, Harry might not be the monarch’s second son at that time.

A lot of titles in the royal family are created when the person marries, including Duke of York for Andrew and Duke of Cambridge for William. So Harry might get a title when he marries, but Duke of York might not yet be available.

One blog I read refers to them as “Bill and Cathy Cambridge.”

Not quite: Diana, Princess of Wales - Wikipedia

Tsarist Russia was almost teeming with princes and princesses: Anna Karenina - Wikipedia

The title would lapse if Andrew died, I believe, as SpoilerVirgin wrote; the Queen or her successor could give it to Harry at any time after that: Duke of York - Wikipedia.

Harry will probably, like his older brother, be named a duke of something upon his marriage, if not before. Some possibilities (and of course an entirely new one could be created): Royal dukedoms in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

So if Harry is given a Ducal title other than York upon his marriage, if he is then in the future given the title of Duke of York, would the other title be his as well?

Yes, once HM gives a title, it’s yours unless the Parliament takes action to strip you of it.

It get’s weirder. For 1 day in 1947 he was actually styled His Royal Highness Sir Philip Mountbatten because of the order in which the letters patent were issued.

She may use a lesser style, but baring an act of parliament to the contrary she will automatically become queen consort the moment Charles ascends the throne. George IV found that out the hard way.

This has actually happened in Spain; where unlike in the UK a noblewoman’s husband is entitled to use the masculine form of his wife’s titles. The Duchess of Medina Sidonia married her lover on her deathbed, who is now the Dowager Duchess of Medina Sidonia.

No he doesn’t. He’s been Mr Clinton ever since he left office.

His father made him King of Chile shortly before he married Mary so he’d share the same rank has her.

I could picture the Swedes going the king consort route when Crown Princess Victoria becomes queen for the sake of gender equality. On hand her husband is only Prince Daniel instead of Crown Prince Daniel, but on the other hand he’s Duke of Västergötland in right of his wife.

WELL, and this may blow your mind, but actually, no, she’s the ‘Duke’ of Lancaster. Duchesses are the wives of Dukes, they don’t hold the seat themselves, whereas QE DOES hold the seat in her own right. So she’s Duke of Lancaster.

Us crazy Brits and our weird traditions…

I don’t know where you’re getting your information, but it certainly isn’t from the Duchy itself, which clearly states she is the Duke. She may hold the title (and estates) because she is the sovereign, but that isn’t any different to Prince Charles holding the title and estates of the Duke of Cornwall by virtue of being the heir to the throne. The Duchy of Lancaster is not part of the Crown estates, it belongs to the Queen in her own right.

Note that the titled-by-marriage spouse’s full title will include the “consort” any time there might be confusion, and that they can only use the title-by-marriage if the actual title-holder says so. During the eleven hours they were married, the now Dowager Duchess of Medina-Sidonia was the Duchess Consort of Medina-Sidonia. Once the title-by-marriage has been allowed it can’t be removed (the current Duke of Medina-Sidonia can’t “detitle” his step-mother). Conversely, none of the three husbands of the 18th Duchess of Alba was ever known as a Duke, because she didn’t grant them the right - as a few reporters who made the mistake to address the husband as señor duque were sharply reminded; her widower is not the duque viudo because he was never duque consorte.