Umm, hello. That link clearly states just what I claimed:
"The National Canine Research Council supported the efforts of Karen Delise from 2006 to 2011 for assembly of case reports and data abstraction and Kara Gilmore, JD, for assistance with data abstraction and validation from case reports.
Donald Cleary is Director of Communications and Publications at the National Canine Research Council and Treasurer of Animal Farm Foundation, parent organization of the National Canine Research Council."
Unless you can demonstrate the study is unequivocally wrong, taking into consideration that not even those who work with dogs all day can reliably identify the breed on sight, SFTU.
:rolleyes:
You’re the one frothing at the mouth like a rabid “Pit Bull”.
Lets look at another claim by Karen Delise, founder of the NCRC National Canine Research Council, in her book “the pit bull placebo” (which she dedicated, in the preface, to her own pit bull):
“There are scores of accounts of farmers being gored, trampled and killed by bulls. In addition to farmers, children, women and elderly persons were also killed when they had the misfortune to encounter an aggressive bull. In one twenty year span, from 1880 to 1899, there were over [COLOR=“YellowGreen”]150 recorded newspaper accounts of people being attacked and killed by cattle.[/COLOR] Clearly, cattle presented a real and constant danger.” KAREN DELISE
But in the past 10 years alone, there have been more (202) fatal attacks by pit bulls:
Clearly, cattle presented a real and constant danger." KAREN DELISE
Skywatcher, haven’t you figured it out yet?
Pit bulls blah blah froth anger murderers outrage.
Here’s a multi-year study proving 80+ percent of fatal dog bites are due to a combination of factors that point to irresponsible owners.
DOESN’T COUNT: I DON’T LIKE ONE OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE STUDY!
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If we posted all the reports every single day of all the children being killed by a family gun that parents, or gun owners in the homes children were visiting, left unattended, easily accessible, loaded, and unlocked, he’d probably say the guns themselves were the problem and not the irresponsible owners.
That’s how stupid his argument is in this debate.
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National Canine Research Council, LLC is owned by the same individual that owns Animal Farm Foundation whose mission statement is: “Securing equal treatment and opportunity for ‘Pit Bull’ dogs.”
I can show proof that Karen Delise’s claims are bogus:
RE: Imprudent use of Unreliable Dog Bite Tabulations and Unpublished Sources by Karen Delise
by Carol Miller | July 17, 2012
Carol Miller RN Disclosure: Board Member of DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims’ group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks.
Regarding the recent e-letter to the editor of the Annals of Surgery written by Karen Delise, Licensed Vet Tech (LVT) with her thoughts on the April 2011 publication of, Mortality, Mauling, and Maiming by Vicious Dogs by Doctors Bini, Cohen et al.
Full disclosure by Ms. Delise would have shown that the National Canine Research Council, LLC is owned by the same individual that owns Animal Farm Foundation whose mission statement is: “Securing equal treatment and opportunity for ‘Pit Bull’ dogs.” I believe that this breed-specific advocacy viewpoint may color Ms. Delise’s remarks.
I find significant errors in Ms. Delise’s arguments. First, she takes issue with a case presentation. She states that there is “no documented evidence from any authority that either dog involved in the incident were pit bulls.” The mauling death of an 11 month old baby is hardly an occurrence I would classify as an “incident.” Ms. Delise fails to recognize that the dogs involved were owned by the baby’s grandmother, who was present during the attack that occurred in her own home. The grandmother would presumably know what kind of dogs she owned. Furthermore, the grandmother was later charged with a first-degree felony because it was not the first or second time her two “pit bulls” had shown aggressive behavior.
Ms. Delise discusses the death of James Chapple Jr. She states that “Mr. Chapple received severe injuries but fully recovered and was discharged from the hospital.” Mr. Chapple’s left arm was amputated, his right arm was badly mauled. A full recovery is impossible in this circumstance. Mr. Chapple’s injuries were so severe that a bill changing Tennessee law regarding vicious dogs was introduced. Video equipment was set up in Mr. Chapple’s hospital room so he could testify to legislators. Mr. Chapple lived long enough to see the bill signed into law. As a hospital nurse, I recognize that there are several reasons for discharge from the hospital, one is recovery, and another is that there is no further treatment that can be offered to the patient, they are discharged home with family care and Home Health nursing care. The listing of cardiovascular complications on the death certificate would not be unexpected. As a Cardiac Rehab nurse, I would expect cardiovascular deterioration in a newly disabled person with underlying coronary artery disease.
Another area of discrepancy is Ms. Delise’s “Unresolvable disagreement as to breed descriptor.” That case involved a two month old infant residing in Waianae, Hawaii, killed in the family home by a dog that Ms. Delise claims was a “Sharpei mix” and “not a pit bull.” A review of police records obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, shows the Honolulu Police Department Scientific Investigation Section report of a buccal swab sample “recovered from the mouth of a “pit-bull/shar-pei mixed dog.” The location named in the report was the Honolulu City and County Morgue. Page 5 of 6 of the Police Incident report names the dog as a “Sharpei/pitbull mix” as does a Follow Up report dated 10-5-08, and the CID Closing report dated 1/05/09, page 3 of 4. In the complete police report the dog is never identified as simply a “Sharpei mix.”
Ms. Delise ends her letter with her advice. “Dr. Bini and his colleagues would have been well advised to consult animal professionals on a subject matter that was clearly outside their area of expertise.” I would suggest that a scientific medical injury study pertaining to the public health and safety of human beings is only suited for human medical professionals.
Sincerely,
Carol Miller RN
“Animals are crapping in our houses and we’re picking it up! Did we lose a war? That’s not America! That’s not even Mexico!” - Homer Simpson
I guess my cats dominate me every time I clean their litter box…ironic; I’m the one who’s normally the domme. 
As I said three pages ago, it’s like trying to have a rational conversation with the Pit Bull equivlaent of a 9/11 Truther.
Where’s the proof that the study is unequivocally wrong? You can shut the fuck up now.
It’s pretty funny how cougar seems to be of the bizarre belief that breed-specific advocacy somehow undermines the credibility of someone, but breed-specific fear and loathing apparently lead to perfect clarity.
Alrighty, then…
Strange how these two guys, Cougar and Crucible, believe the same thing but never post at the same time (even the same week) or back each other up
just happened tonight in Cincinnati - a 77 yr old woman walking the sidewalk, is "viscously " mauled by two pit bulls, who then turned their focus on their owner. Both the woman and the man who owned the land sharks, are now in the ER - the woman in stable condition.
I am not highlighting today’s mauling because it may or may not prove fatal to the victim and the owner ( yes, Alex, we are playing Double Jeopardy in tonights mauling) - I am highlighting it because the mauling only stopped when Cinci police fired multiple gunshots to save the victim and the pit bull owner.
And the reason this ties in to the debate?
Because in her book “the pit bull placebo” Karen DeLise, founder of the National Canine Research Council (a pro pit bull advocacy org) - Delise writes that “police ride into two with both guns blazing at anything the resembles a pit bull”.
NOT ONCE does she write of the weekly police use of deadly force to save a persons life from a mauling pit bull - and it is often the pit bull owners life saved - as in tonights mauling in Cincinnati (where State Rep Barb Sears lifted the designation of pits as vicious)
Any advice or input on BSL from Delise and the NCRC gang of nutters should be discarded as biased and irrelevant
The Cinci owner could not save the elderly victim, or even his own ass. If not for the Cinci police firing away with both guns blazing at what WAS a pit bull, we’d have our 31st and 32nd pit fatality of 2013 - and the ratio would edge closer to 100%.
More on Karen Delise and Don Cleary of NCRC, and any credibility they have regarding what was or was not a pit bull :
A paper that DELISE co-authored with LEDY VANKAVAGE, DONALD CLEARY, CYNTHIA BATHURST and some dupe by the name of PATRICIA RUSHING, states “Many eyewitnesses have problems correctly identifying dogs, even dogs that may have allegedly bitten them. In a high-profile case involving singer Vanessa Carlton, a dog named Bella was acquitted of biting Carlton because the bite wound on her leg didn’t match a mold of Bella’s teeth. (Source: Howard Frank, “Pit Bull Accused of Biting Vanessa Carlton Wins Reprieve, Pocono Record Writer, July 8, 2010,available at www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100708/NEWS/7080315/-1/NEWS01, accessed August 1, 2012.” their synopsis of the Vanessa Carlton case is a complete fabrication. at the time this propaganda piece was published (August 2011) the FACTS of the Vanessa Carlton case were known and officials court transcripts were available.
source :
Since anecdotes are data, Trogdor at aproximatly 8.5 years old has not mauled anyone. Chloe at 5 still thankfully has not mauled anyone as of today, she did manage to crush my testicles in an overexubarent cuddle attempt. The baby remains uneaten, however, Chloe licks her on occasion I assume as a taste test, perhaps waiting until she has peaked like a bottle of fine wine. The baby in what I can only assume is a desperate attempt to stave off the beasts hunger, has begun feeding them from her high chair.
Seems to me we have a person posting primarily to eliecit a negative reaction.
On the bright side, we might have a legit, verifiable DGU!
Very interesting comment.
FYI regarding the latest pit bull fatal, where the woman was killed last Friday by her own pit bull that she owned for the past 4 years, they just interviewed her boyfriend.
His words echo what you just stated:
http://www.krqe.com/news/local/victims-boyfriend-calls-pit-bull-mauling-a-freak-accident
“According to Hare, he and Nelson had possession of the dogs for about the last four years”
"It’s really hard to lose five family members in one day basically, because they were our children for years and years,” said Hare.
Hare says he was in a relationship with Nelson for the last 15 years. In that time, Hare says the two raised more than 300 animals on their property, not for profit or under the name of any rescue, but out of their own desire.
Deputies say four other pit bulls were surrendered from the property and have since been euthanized
“We did it together because it what’s made our family strong,” said Hare.
Deputies have confirmed all the animals on the property were healthy and showed no signs of abuse. Hare says the incident is an unexpected tragedy.
“There was nobody happier in this world. She could brighten anybody’s day and she always did. Didn’t matter who it was, somebody could be having the worst day and she would just make them smile and they would never forget it,” said Hare.
“This was something that came completely out of left field and it was … it was her time as horrible and tragic as it was, it was,” said Hare.
So when will it be “your time”?
It helps if you think of yourself as the domesticated animal. It becomes more natural for them to implant thoughts in your head. Listen for it … listen for it … there, now go scratch her where she says to.
There are people who want a vicious dog who has the strength to back it up. The Pit Bull is the breed of choice for such people. So as long as there is a market for such animals, there will be scum-bag breeders who will set their most vicious sire to their most vicious dame. Who are we to interfere with the market process?