Given the above facts, it appears the legislation/breed-ban does indeed work. Unless you can cite similar (breed ratio included of course) figures for dog-attacks deaths in Dade NOT attributed to Pitbulls. In so far as I know there are none.
That said, sure, no stopping a Michael Vick’s type from breeding some other dog to take over…but isn’t that something to be dealt with at such a time when it actually happens? Not dealing in hypothetical thought experiments though I admit your question makes sense…hypothetically.
32 People dead by dog attack in 2013.
Pit bull type dogs killed 27 of them (84%). Sixteen of the 27 piticides are children.
Stars indicate people killed by a ‘family’ pit bull – ones that had
been raised and cherished as an indoor pet, ‘never showed aggression
before, and knew the victim.
Child fatalities by pit bull type dog (16):
Christian Gormanous – 4 yrs old Montgomery County, TX
Isaiah Aguilar – 2 yrs old Sabinal, TX -----
Ryan Maxwell – 7 yrs old ** Galesburg, IL. -----
Dax Borchardt – 14 mos old ** Walworth, WI. -----
Monica Laminack – 21 mos old ** Ellabelle, GA. -----
Tyler Jett – 7 yrs old Callaway, FL. -----
Jordyn Arndt – 4 yrs old ** Prairie City, IA. -----
Beau Rutledge – 2 yrs old ** Fulton County, GA. -----
Ayden Evans- 5 yrs old ** Jessieville, AR. Bull Mastiff-Pit Bull ------
( Hot Springs Animal Control said the dog "was at least 50 percent pit bull.)
Nephi Selu – 6 yrs old ** Union City, CA. ------
Arianna Jolee Merrbach – 5 yrs old Effingham, SC. ------
Daniel (surname as yet not revealed) – 2 yrs old (Gilbert, Arizona) ** ----
Samuel Eli Zamudio – 2 yrs old** Colton, CA ----
Jordan Ryan– 5 yrs old Baker city, Oregon ----
Levi Watson-Bradford-4 years old** White County, Arkansas ----
Jah’niyah White - 2 years old ** Chicago, Ill ----
Adult fatalities by pit bull type (11):
Betty Todd – 65 yrs old ** Hodges, SC -----
Elsie Grace – 91 yrs old ** Hemet, CA -----
Claudia Gallardo – 38 yrs old Stockton, CA. -----
Pamela Devitt – 63 yrs old Littlerock, CA. -----
Carlton Freeman – 80 yrs old Harleyville, SC. -----
James Harding – 62 yrs old -Baltimore, MD -----
(chased into traffic by two attacking pit bulls; he also owned pits)
Juan Campos – 96 yrs old Katy, Texas. ----
Terry Douglass 56 years old. **Baltimore, MD ----
Katherine Atkins-25 years old ** Kernersville, NC ----
Nga Woodhead-65 years old Spanaway, WA. ----
Michal Nelson, 41 years old Valencia County, New Mexico ** ----
Non-Pit fatals (5):
1 - Rachel Honabarger - 35 yrs old - mauled to death by her own GSD mix] Coshocton, OH.
1 - Linda Oliver – 63 yrs old Dayton, TX. Rottweiler Mastiff ----
1 -Joan Kappen, 75 years old Hot Springs Ark Bull Mastiff ----
1 husky-mix killing, [Jordan Lee Reed – 5 yrs old] Kotzebue, AK
1 Shiba Inu killing- Mia Gibson - age 3 months, of Gibson, OH - mauled to death by family Shiba Inu. ----
84% by pit bulls
3% by some kind of GSD mix,
3% by a husky + possibly pit mix,
3% by Shiba Inu.
3% by Rott BM mix
3% by Bull Mastiff
The man who ran into traffic kept pit bulls himself. He knew perfectly
well what the two stranger pit bulls that were chasing him would do if
they caught him, so he preferred to risk a swift death by oncoming car.
Good thing the guy whose dog instigated it is smarter than your sorry ass. The fault was only partially mine, a fact I acknowledged from the get go. Reading comprehension much?
My dogs did not attack anyone. They responded to a dog that came at them. Any dog would do that. There’s no dog in the world that would remain seated and calm when another dog lunges directly at them. None. No matter what your fevered little imagination would like to believe.
First of all, had these dogs wanted to, they could have torn that dog to pieces. All they did was chase its stupid ass around to let it know they didn’t appreciate being lunged at. As it was, it ended up with a tiny — and I mean so tiny the owner had a hard time locating it under the fur to show it to us the next evening when we went to check on it, which is why he never even bothered to take it to the vet — single-tooth, shallow puncture. That doesn’t even qualify as a bite. An intentional bite would’ve left multiple holes in that dog where all of the teeth would’ve bore down on it. That didn’t happen because my dogs were — again — not attacking the other dog.
You’re late to this thread, so I’m going to cut you a tiny bit of slack here for not reading through 500 posts, but I’ve been saying all along — as you just have — that IT IS ACTUALLY BAD OWNERS AND NOT THE BREED THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
But again, I WAS NOT THE OWNER AND HAD NO ROLE UP TO THAT POINT IN FORMING THOSE DOGS’ BEHAVIOR.
Since you’re late to the game, here are the facts, again:
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[li]When I found these dogs they’d been relegated for over a year to living in this. And this. And this.[/li][li]They were never let out of that tiny back yard. Ever. For more than a year.[/li][li]They were not walked or exercised in any way, let alone regularly.[/li][li]They received no human interaction on any kind of regular basis.[/li][li]Their owners stuck a large bag of dog food out back, slit the top open, and let them free-graze until it was empty — that’s how they were “fed.”[/li][li]They lived in their own feces and urine, and one of them had festering sores all over his belly and between his toes.[/li][li]I started walking them with a roommate of theirs or with my husband, as a courtesy to the owners and because I felt horrible for those poor dogs that desperately wanted human contact. And I walked them with another person 99.999% of the time. [/li][/ul]
Now, I have argued all along that it is not about the breed, but about how they are treated by their owners, and whether or not they have been properly trained. So here’s a little further background:
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[li]The former owners adored these dogs and treated them “like they were their children” for the first several years of their lives. I put “like their children” in quotation marks because you don’t treat dogs like you treat children. Dogs take an entirely different kind of training and discipline, for instance …[/li][li]The husband trained them to pull him while he was on his skateboard as if they were Huskies running in the Iditerod. As a result, the male dog, Duke, didn’t know how to heel on walks, because he was allowed to take the lead instead of being taught that the owner is the pack leader, not him.[/li][/ul]
Among the shitty behaviors they’d adopted while in the custody of the previous owners and relegated to a small back yard were:
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[li]Chewing and busting through gates.[/li][li]Attempting to chew through window frames.[/li][li]Busting through window screens to get into the house.[/li][li]Incessant biting on themselves.[/li][li]Chewing apart and/or shredding until it was unrecognizable, anything — anything — you tried to give them to play with: rope toys, balls, even those heavy-duty Kong things.[/li][li]Shredding anything with stuffing. Anything. Into bits.[/li][/ul]
So it should come as little surprise that they had an incident of misbehavior during this time period. Duh.
But now that my husband and I are the official owners of these dogs:
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[li]They both heel when walking.[/li][li]They can be walked right past dogs and not made to sit in an effort to control them — they just keep right on walking.[/li][li]They respond to verbal commands.[/li][li]Our gates, window frames, and screens are fully intact.[/li][li]They sleep on the sofa on dog beds with their own pillows for their heads, and they hang out on the cushioned patio furniture, surrounded by throw pillows, and we don’t have a single bit of stuffing pulled out of any of it. Every pillow and cushion is fully intact, and they love sleeping on them.[/li][li]Now I walk them by myself, twice a day, every day, and have never even once come close to having either of them pull away from me. Never. As stated above, now that we own them, they heel and obey.[/li][/ul]
These are great dogs that are a joy to be around and exhibit no aggressive behaviors whatsoever since we took over custody of them. None. They are gentle, loving, cuddlebunnies, and they would sooner throw themselves off a cliff than ever intentionally hurt a human being or another animal. Hell, even before we took over custody, when they did get into a tussle with another dog, neither one of them intentionally hurt it. And even our rescue cat that was so terrified by her former owners’ dogs that she started urinating all over the house, which is why they returned her to the rescue group, gets along perfectly well with them.
So I’m very glad to know that you agree that it is bad owners and not bad breeds that are the problem. It’s about time one of you admitted that.
You stupid piece of shit. Please learn the definition of arbitrary before claiming something isn’t.
Are you aware decisions to use a helicopter or not are not based solely on the severity of injuries? If someone is stabbed a block from a hospital it doesn’t matter how badly they are wounded they are not going to dispatch a helicopter. If someone is injured in an area that is difficult to land a helicopter they don’t use one. What is your logic or reason behind noting whether a life flight is used? Am I to believe all people taken to a hospital by car or ambulance are less severe than those that they used a helicopter?
I understand the police are not animal control. I don’t even expect them to carry specialized equipment for animals. I think some instances of police using firearms to put down a dangerous animal are justified. What I don’t believe is a dog is more dangerous because it was shot verse apprehended with a catch pole. Therefore whether a officer shot a dog or not is a statistic that has no logic or reason in determining the danger of an animal. Am I to believe the police only use firearms on dogs that pose a mortal threat to them? There are numerous accounts of officers shooting dogs that posed no threat to anyone.
Either you are really fucking stupid and/or you are a liar. It’s been pointed out to you multiple times that pit bulls are not the only dog used in dog fighting.
“I especially like the dogs being shot part as if it’s the dogs fault when the authorities don’t have proper equipment to restrain an animal.”
This very graphic video may (then again, may not) get it thru your head, why police officers do not carry catch poles, and opt for a 9mm
You said the police should use other equipment than a gun. So what is the other equipment you fault them for not having? Oh wait ! Now you’ve just reversed yourself and said :
I understand the police are not animal control. I don’t even expect them to carry specialized equipment for animals.
Are you schizo, by chance? Do you argue with yourself? It’s OK, really.
I’ll just highlight this as yet another post in which you failed reading comprehension. My two statements are not in conflict with each other. Putting them in red doesn’t change that.
I admire police who, knowing they don’t have to go to review boards to justify their action, simply kill aggressive dogs every time they have the chance. They save lives.
Pit bull owners divide into two groups. Those who have had a loved one, perhaps a child, killed by a pit bull type animal and those who have not. The former are always willing to have their dog euthanized, the latter, never.
Even if the whole bad reputation of pit bulls is because of bad owners, it is only because the pit bull breed type is capable of doing mortal damage to people that those bad owners can turn their animal into a killer or can, perhaps, prevent their animal from becoming a killer. The point? The dog in its natural feral state is a killer. Give that bad owner a different dog and people don’t die. Neutering works, breed bans work, retraining of all dogs with aggressive tendencies works…but what is obvious is that the pit bull starts out as a potential killer and has to be stopped from becoming one…by some means.
For those who support the right of people to own pit bull type dogs…I think most of you agree that when pit bulls attack, it is because the owner has lost control, has not trained properly, has not been, in short, a ‘good’ owner.
If you could write the ordinance for your community that would be used to determine who is legally permitted to own a pit bull type dog (expand the breeds if you want to include anything you think capable of mayhem)…if you had the power to include the specific language about how to determine who can own such animals and who can’t? What would that ordinance or regulation say?
Many years ago, just to demonstrate that it isn’t easy for cops to actually kill feral dogs, I was driving down an interstate when a pack of large dogs ran across the road in front of me, my car striking and killing the lead dog, probably a female in heat.
the policeman who sympathized with my loss (almost totaled my car) had me ride with him while we waited for the wrecker…he knew where the pack of dogs hung out in the rear of a big service area…and when we arrive we found them lounging around, recovering from their ordeal. Mr. policeman rolled down his window, selected a large dog at a range of no more than 15 feet, a soft background behind it, no tags or even collar…rested his sidearm on the window ledge of his door, fired his weapon…and missed the dog completely.
look at their stats - half of all attacks, 3/4 of fatal attacks on other animals.
Shayna, do you live in Oregon by any chance? Was that you in the catch pole video?
Me thinks the ideal rope / harness design for a nutter is one that has a harness for the pit bull, 5 feet of rope, and a noose for the nutters neck at the other end
Not meaningless at all. It serves as evidence that the breed, which is banned in the UK (per the first link), is still there and still being used in dog fighting.
Of course it isn’t worth my time answering your question because you’ll find a single instance in which a method wasn’t successful and use it as evidence it is never successful because you are a moron who believes anecdotes trump data.
Authorities regularly use capture poles, tranquilizers, cages, leashes you know the type of equipment animal control regularly uses to detain dogs as well as bears.
