I guess I’ve always missed people saying a dog who’s attacked someone is not at fault for its actions, along with its owner for lack of training and control. You’re trying to blame and punish not only the dog, but every other dog that bears a passing similarity.
By the way, what happened to the dog that attacked you?
Exactly: blame the owners. It’s not the dogs’ fault that they weren’t trained properly.
Remember Dax Borchardt? The two dogs that ripped off half his face received zero training beyond “sit” and “stay” during the little time when they were not in their cages and returned to those cages when they didn’t cooperate.
By the way, nice attempt at argumentum ad misericordiam in 1218.
Seriously?
Exactly: blame the owners. It’s not the dogs’ fault that they weren’t trained properly.(Skywatcher)
the point is, if you will just think about it clearly for a moment, that dogs are not naturally good family pets. They have to be socialized. You call it training, I call it discipline.
Since they aren’t naturally good companions, every dog out there is a crap shoot. Many are perfectly okay, but some are killers. Why in the world do we think it is okay for people to house potentially dangerous dogs? Maybe even any dogs at all?
Get a dog. Get it vaccinated, wormed, give it pills every day to prevent heartworm, train it to poop in the yard, clean up the poop in the yard, feed it special dog diets, make sure it has a nice place to sleep…and? repeat every 10 years. I guess it gives some folks who are unable to form human friendships someone (something?) to talk to. Something that doesn’t interrupt of disagree with you.
Have you cleaned up your dog’s poop today?
By the way, what happened to the dog that attacked you? (Swatcher, again)
My stepfather had as many as a dozen foxhounds at one time, a terrier and a coon dog, as well. The farmer whose shepherd mix bit me was their only dog and was past her prime, maybe 7 years old. The farmer said he supposed it would be a good idea to keep the dog in the barn and away from visitors, and stepfather of mine agreed. Remember, the big difference between most dogs and pit bull types – most dogs nip or bite and let go, even run away…pits bite and chew and rip and shake and tear.
100% serious,
which part of it is a problem and why?
No, that’s abuse and the true source of problem dogs.
Those are the ones that have been abused.
Again, dogs do not simply snap and attack with no warning.
And now you show your true colors again. You’re not some senior PETA official, are you?
Wasn’t me, I don’t give a shit.
It’s like Crucible has to come back and resurrect this thread every so often so people will think he relevant or something.
No, that depends on the dog. Of course, if you hide a dog in the backyard all his life without interaction, he’s going to turn weird, but the same thing would happen if you did that to a kid.
Because you are wrong?
I guess because I’m tired of having to pay for the sins of the minority, in all phases of life. Especially since dogs are hardly the worst threat out there. Tell you what - if you agree to compulsory insurance, training classes and muzzling when off private property before you can become a parent, I’ll consider having to pay all that money and subject my dogs to muzzles for no reason. Or how about compulsory drivers ed before you can get a license? Or a requirement that you put 20% down on a house and prove that you have a reliable source of income great enough to cover the mortgage and everything else before you can become a homeowner?
Surely none of that is controversial?
I do have legal cover for my family, There is compulsory registration of births, There is compulsory training in the form of schools but unless there is a specific problem with children causing severe injuries through biting then I don’t see the relevance of muzzles. If children were carrying and using equivalent damaging weapons then certainly I’d legislate against the carrying of those. (hint…this does happen)
In the UK you have to study and practice in order to pass the two part driving test. You cannot legally drive on the road until the age of 17 and you must have an experienced driver with you all the time until you pass your test.
I don’t know where you come from but that is almost exactly what I had to do. I had to provide a substantial deposit, bank statements, wage slips and fill out a long, long form listing income and expenditure before I could get a mortgage.
No, not really controversial and many of those suggestions are in place now in many places in the world.
Apart from the muzzling of children of course. Not sure why you think that is necessary.
Children and humans generally don’t use teeth as offensive weapons, dogs do.
Surely that last statement is not controversial?
Because you are wrong?<<curlcoat>>
No, I am not wrong.
Granted, there are a myriad of things one might do that result in worse outcomes per unit population than housing a dog. Doesn’t mean that having dogs around makes any real sense. Maybe once they were helpful to city or suburban dwellers, but I don’t think they make any sense at all as an urban companion. Lordy, the stories we could all tell about dogs causing grief or grievance between neighbors…
Try “four legged burglar alarm” or “four legged fire alarm”.
I have an alarm system for burglars and several smoke/CO detectors, as well. I’ve never had to worm them, register them, feed them, or clean up their wastes. My neighbors have yet to call the cops because my alarms or detectors had killed their cat or bit their kid.
Nope, I still think dogs don’t belong in town. Let them herd sheep, recover killed birds, keep foxes out of the henhouses on the farm. They do a decent job of that.
Good for you. Some people don’t have that luxury.
Seems to me that “normal” people would best worry about some idiot with a gun (or crossbow) rather than a loose dog.
you know, I’m really not opposed to people having dogs in their homes if they are willing to put up with the effort needed to properly domesticate them, etc., so long as those dogs aren’t the sort that can, and might, hurt people. You want a yapper that alerts you to company (expected or unexpected), no problem. I doubt, of course, you can keep a dog for the $30 a month my security system costs. The detectors came with the house, but I suspect you could equip a normal home with them for a couple of hundred bucks, tops.
Just sayin’, your right to have a dangerous dog ends at your property line, and if you don’t want kids wandering into your yard where your guard dog can attack them, make sure kids can’t get in.
While I’m at it, anyone who lets their cat run free (as I used to do) is not a friend of birds. Estimates of several billion birds killed by free running cats are beginning to be raised almost yearly.
IOW, you’re opposed to people having any dog in their home. :rolleyes:
But, no training and license to become a parent, so just anyone can do it, no matter how poorly prepared they are, or anti social, or criminal.
I didn’t know you were overseas. Here in CA, and it sounds like in most states, one can taking the drivers test at age 18, with absolutely no prior training or experience. If you do a quick study of the booklet and can drive a car on quiet city streets without hitting anything, you can get a license to drive 75 mph on the freeway with hundreds of other cars.
Here in the States, we had a big recession due to the law allowing banks to give mortgages to people who could not at that time afford to put down much or anything, and/or to pay the actual monthly payment. The idea was to charge a lesser rate for the first 3 - 5 years and then bring the rate up to a more average one, at which time the owners could refinance, because property values always go up, right? Except they didn’t and all these people who couldn’t really afford to buy a house defaulted on all of those loans. I’m not sure, it it doesn’t appear that any laws WRT this sort of thing happening have changed much if at all.
Nope. Children and humans use weapons that are far more dangerous, like guns, bombs and airplanes. Yet there is almost no control over who can have kids, who can raise them and what to do if they don’t turn out very well.
It may not make any sense to you, but that doesn’t mean you get to dictate to all of the millions of dog owners out there. And lordy, the stories we could tell about all kinds of things that have nothing to do with dogs causing grief or grievance between neighbors.
Nobody is quibbling with that.
Nobody is quibbling with that.
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(having trouble getting the right quote…he agreed that dogs should be kept in an area where people cannot get into the same space.)
I hope not. While you are at it, make doubly sure your dogs can’t get past the devices you use to keep them away from the rest of us. If they do, and if they cause harm, you should have to bear that responsibility just as if you had done it yourself.
no quibbles there, either?