Pit Bulls

I’m trying to clarify something in my mind here about pit bulls, and I’m hoping somebody more familiar with dog breeds than I will weigh in.

It’s my understanding that there are three breeds of dog, commonly referred to as pit bulls: Staffordshire Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, and American Pit Bull Terriers. The oldest of the three breeds is the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, which was bred in England from Bulldog-Terrier mixes, and they weigh about 20-30 pounds. Then later, in America, breeders took the Staffordshire Bull Terrier and bred it further to create a larger dog, and that’s the American Staffordshire Terrier, which weigh about 40-80 pounds. Then there’s the American Pit Bill Terrier, which weighs 30-60 pounds. Are they related at all to either of the Staffordshire Terriers, or are they an unrelated breed of terrier?

Basically, I’d like somebody to clarify the differences and relationships between these three breeds. I’ve read wikipedia, but it just confuses me more.

American Pit Bill Terriers are essentially American Staffordshire Terriers registered under the UKC rather than the AKC. Because breeders take different views of what an “ideal” dog is, the UKC Pits have some minor differences from the AKC Staffs, but they are very minor - the only thing I can see is that UKC Pits tend to have their ears cropped less often than Staffs. The UKC will register an AKC Staff as a Pit, but the AKC will not register a UKC Pit as a Staff.

None of this applies to dogs bred for fighting, which are not a breed per se. Nor does it apply to what the general public will call a “Pit”, since many breeds and mixed breeds are so identified! :eek:

The American Kennel Club recognizes the breed American Staffordshire Terrier (AmStaff). The United Kennel Club recognizes the breed American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT), and also allows (or at least used to allow) owners of AmStaffs to cross-register them as APBT. I think the difference between the two breeds is bloodlines.

The truth is the relationships between the breeds can be charted chronologically, but the rest of it is murky enough that it sometimes depends on who you’re talking to. In particular the two American breeds are so similar that calling them two breeds is questioned by some experts; much confusion exists on the issue.

My understanding of it, after a lot of reading (mostly Internet) is as follows:

Staffordshire Bull Terriers (“Staffies”): the smaller British dogs.

American Pit Bull Terriers (APBTs): the formal modern breed name for the Americanized dogs derived from Staffies over the past two hundred years or so. These are what most people are thinking of when they say “pit bulls,” although confused and emotional “thinking” is common in regard to pit bulls.

American Staffordshire Terrier (“AmStaffs”): these dogs are really so close to APBTs that many dogs carry dual registry as both “breeds.” My understanding is that AmStaffs aren’t really as much heavier than APBTs as the numbers you’ve got suggest; it’s more that size isn’t discouraged in the AKC show dogs. The most visible difference is that AmStaffs have to have black noses and APBTs can have red or black noses, and the AmStaff champion lines favor a slightly blockier look for the show ring. AmStaffs were “developed” (if indeed they’re separate enough from APBTs to use that term) last as a way to get APBTS into the show rings.

Again, it’s my sense from what I’ve read (as opposed to Revealed Truth) that the UKC was started in part by people upset that the AKC wouldn’t register APBTs (which supposedly was because fighting dogs were low class, in a way that dogs killing foxes and rats somehow was not, heh.)

It’s been argued that the “dogs bred for fighting” are a distinct breed, and a very carefully-managed one at that – supposedly the old-time “dogmen” carefully tracked genetics and worked to make the dogs as athletic and determined as possible, although for entirely the wrong reason, of course. That might be true, or it might be salesmanship or braggadocio for all I know.

All three breeds (Staffies, APBTs, and AmStaffs) can be legitimately considered “pit bulls.”

Lots of much larger dogs exist, as backyard breeders have been crossing them with bigger dogs to impress the sort of people who are impressed only by size. I think mastiff is a common outcross. These larger dogs are mutts, but the people selling them call them pit bulls.

There is currently a movement afoot to designate the wide-body, big-headed mutants some people have been breeding as a fourth distinct breed under the umbrella category of pit bulls, and call these dogs “American Bullies.” Google American Bully pics to see what I mean; these dogs are much bulkier and usually larger than the athletic APBT. Fans of the original APBT have been known to call AmBullies “hippos,” perhaps you can see why.

Whether such a designation will stick and become formalized is anybody’s guess, like deciding what slang will stand the test of time.