Please answer these questions, Cougar, so I can understand your position better, since I am unclear right now what you are saying.
Is it your belief and contention that pit bulls (that would be American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, and Staffordshire Terriers) are genetically bred so that all or some of the following are provably true facts that are not equally true of any other breed or mix of dog:
likely to suddenly bite without warning
likely to attempt to kill without warning
likely to become vicious suddenly, at any point in their lives, without any prior indication
likely to become vicious without any discernable reason
neurologically malformed by their breeding so as to make them vicious
inclined to become violent and vicious when in groups with other similar dogs
impossible to train or socialize so that they are no more dangerous than any other well-trained and socialized dog
Try clicking the link provided. It’s the current campaign. Begun 2011. Btw just to educate you some - articles published in the AAP’s journal are just articles, not policy. There are policy statements published there but they are different. Then there are the actions and positions advocated as a matter of action.
So again, why are these organizations in such denial? Why do they, in some cases speak out against BSLs and in other cases take actions to reduce bites that do not include BSLs? What motivates such denial by so many diverse professional organizations? Is it a conspiracy a pay off systemic stupidity or what?
On your other post, are you saying that owning a Pit makes one turn to crime? Creates illiteracy?
I am also curious … What do you believe is causing Pits to become more violent in the last decade or so? Obviously you believe they are given your constant emphasis on how out of date you think items are (of course even though they are not.)
I see now why I didn’t find that article on their website. Its because it is very wise advise for all breeds of dogs. It says nothing about pit bulls, or breed specific legislation.
My links above show their own studies do show pit bulls are the dogs most like to injure.
How would education help the elderly couple who had 2 pit bull smash thru their front door screen, and maul their golden retriever to death, as well as maul the 70 yr old man in the house, just this week? Or the jogger mauled by a womans leashed pit bull, saved by a cops deadly force- this week? or the 72 yr old owner walking his land shark when it began mauling him, only stopping when police used deadly force - this week!
Why didn’t BADRAP, the pit bull advocacy org, provide education to very outspoken members Darla and Greg Napora, when their pit bull killed Darla and ripped her unborn child out of her womb? They moved from Yakima, WA, livid that Yakima banned pit bulls, to Pacifica, CA to prove that it wasn’t the breed - it was the owners. Greg still believed that after his pit bull - shot dead by police after murdering his wife and unborn child - so much, that he buried Darla and the pit bull in the same casket.
The point is that when these professional groups take on the issue of dog bites they do not target specific breeds. That, you believe, is the effective method to decrease serious injury. Some, as noted, specifically state positions against BSLs. The question is why, do you think, they are either ignoring that approach or actively denying it.
Again, articles in the AAP journal are articles they published, not did, not policy unless labeled as such. They are not “their” studies.
I’ve asked a few straight forward questions. Care to answer?
regarding the last debatable bullet point, there in fact was a Harvard student who had her pit bull in her home, being socialized with a certified canine behaviorist, when it suddenly went pit bull and mauled her severely. The EMT’s could not get to her to save her life, so police had to blast a shotgun slug thru her french doors to kill her pit bull first…in the presence of a certified socialization trainer.
No amount of education will offset hundreds of years of breeding and culling for specifically those features.
No amount of educating the public will have any effect on retrievers going after tennis balls in the water
No amount of educating the public will have any effect on bird dogs pointing out birds.
No amount of educating the public will make a blood hound any less likely to follow a criminal thru the woods. If it were possible, criminals would have educated themselves on how to make them cease that pesky instinct.
A 15-year (1991–2005) review of dog attack fatalities investigated by the Kentucky Medical Examiner determined that pit bulls were implicated in 5 of the 11 fatal attacks (45%). Another 15-year (1994–2009) review of patients admitted to a Level I Trauma Center with dog bites determined that pit bulls were most often involved in these attacks: of the 228 patients treated, the breed of dog was recorded in 82 attacks, and of these, 29 (35%) of the attacks were by pit bulls (all other dogs combined accounted for the remaining 65% of attacks). In 45% of the attacks, the dog belonged to the victim’s family. The authors wrote:
“Attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs. Strict regulation of pit bulls may substantially reduce the US mortality rates related to dog bites.”
Well, if pits had been bred for hundreds of years to be people-killers, you might have a point. Since they haven’t…
For the record, no healthy, normal dog, no matter what the training or socialization, will bite “out of nowhere” All dogs warn. All dogs have indicators. The people who claim their dogs have been sweet, friendly and perfect and then suddenly became vicious killers are either clueless or lying.
Savannah Gragg, age 9, Kokomo, IN - 2010 - Killed as she held open the back screen kitchen door to let the family pet pit bull (of many years) out in the properly fenced yard (no chain), as witnessed by her grandmother. As she had done for many years, without incident.
As it walked slowly passed her, as she held open the door, it snapped, and gripped her throat, not releasing until the police arrived. It ripped out her larynx. She died 5 days later in the ER in Indy.
(note that most of these accounts of pits snapping and killing, are the words of the pit bull owners.)
I was guilty of always saying, its how they are raised. INCORRECT. Jake was a family member, always relaxed. The evening he attacked me had just been laying beside me in the kitchen. I was his “grandmaw”… I loved him. I will forever believe what happened that evening, he had no control over it. Something snapped. – Denise Hill
“From what I understood was that the kids were playing in the backyard when the [pit bull], I don’t know what the word would be,” said Gay. “Kind of snapped.” – Charles Edward Gay
“Itʼs all just horrible. Itʼs all still horrible,” Ashiyah said. “Iʼm not going to question anything. I was responsible for that child. I loved that child. And now heʼs dead. Heʼs dead because my dog snapped and did something I had never, ever seen in him do before.” – Ashiyah Ferguson
When a family member’s pit bull, who baby Jayden has grown up with snapped … just attacked her face and would not let go … Jayden has undergone six hours of surgery to repair a fractured jaw and damage to her nasal passages, tear duct, eye lids and bridge of her nose. She also lost five teeth in the attack – Pit bull loving grandfather
The Stewart family said they are at a loss at why Chance suddenly became vicious … She continued, “Something snapped. He had Abby in his sights and he headed right for her. Ronnie threw her so hard up on the trampoline; it threw one of her shoes off.” – Lisa Stewart
“I took him from being an abused dog to being a house dog,” said the pit bull’s owner, Justin Sostre, 18, who plans to have the animal euthanized. “He just snapped.” – Justin Sostre
Noah’s mother was at her boyfriend’s home when his normally loving pit bull snapped. The dog clamped down on Noah’s head, ripping off his scalp and his ear. “It saddens me when people say: ‘my pit bull would never do that, I’ve got the sweetest dog in the world.’ – Kim Durall, mother of victim
my neighbor babied his pit bull too. It was supposedly a “big baby” also. Then out of the blue it decided to break through the screen door and attack my other neighbors dog … Also have a co worker whose “lovable” pit bull just snapped after years of being babied and it attacked his friends dog – KTM rider
The dog was being really nice to all of us for about 10 minutes and then he just snapped.” Elena’s parents took her to the hospital where doctors used 26 stitches to sew her upper lip back on.
A Bronx tot was mauled yesterday when her pet pit bull snapped and tore into her cheeks, police and witnesses said. Makailah Barnett, 3, nearly had the side of her face ripped off … “The dog just lost her mind” – Daily News
I once thought pits could be kind and gentle, and just had a bad rep……. till the one we had turned on my daughter 2 weeks ago … He never showed any signs of aggression … I don’t know why he snapped that night but it is a nightmare we will all live with for the rest of our lives. – Mandy, CC, USA
Vancouver, WA - 20 miles north of Happy Valley, where a 7-year old was attacked by a pit bull last week, is Vancouver, Washington. On Saturday, an 11-year old was attacked by a pit bull that was being walked by it’s owner, Mark Robinson. Elena Allison told reporters, “We asked (Robinson) if we could pet Presley. The dog was being really nice to all of us for about 10 minutes and then he just snapped.” -
Do you have a point? Or are your responses just going to be an endless recital of stories? Because this does not say anything in response to my post. Particularly in light of the fact that this a woman saying that the dog seemed friendly to her for all of ten minutes.
Tell me, Cougar, what does it mean when a dog licks its lips outside the presence of food? How about yawning? Does a wagging tail indicate the dog is happy?
Count your lucky stars that you didn’t refer to me as an N-Word that rhymes with “butter” . I was told I would be banned if I called a pit bull defender that word again. (doing my Peter Sellers involuntary Nazi salute, from the movie “Dr Strangelove”)
Lunatic seems so much kinder.
For the record, Admins, no action required. I fully understand its a common ploy by defenders of pit bulls to red flag minor G-rated adjectives, - even while using similar - when the real hurt comes from facts, with cites, that counter their false claims.