my neighbor has a couple of pits that get out of his backyard every so often. it’s a race with the devil getting out of my car and into the house
A lady in NYC wasn’t so lucky with her neighbors pit bulls this weekend:
My advice to anyone in this situation (she, too, had a neighbor who had numerous complaints to police and Animal Uncontrol about her neighbors pit bulls):
Get some ground chuck hamburger. Roll it up with a few grapes, and 3 pcs of Orbit sugarless gum. Perfectly legal. Orbit has Xylitol in it - just 3 grams will take care of a pit. The grapes will work in parallel.
Place it in your yard, where the pit bull enters. Or, better yet, since the pit bull is free to enter your yard, reciprocate by placing the laced patty in the pit bull owners yard. Fair is fair, right?
Disclaimer: I only advocate doing this in cases where the pit bull owner repeatedly lets the pit roam the neighborhood, and Animal Uncontrol is derelict in their duties (oxymoron) .
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It is not illegal to protect yourself from a neighbors threatening, roaming pit bull.
In San Diego, a man was ruled by police to have acted in self defense, after repeated warning to his neighbor yielded zero results, so he administered a dirt nap on the next occurence via gunshot.
“I told my neighbor, ‘If this happens again, it’s not OK, and I will shoot your dog,’” Pattinson said. “I didn’t mean it as a threat. I tried to tell her there are kids in the neighborhood. That dog has been aggressive and it’s not safe.”
San Diego police investigated the shooting and determined that Pattinson shot the dog in self defense. He was not facing any charges, said San Diego police Officer Dino Delimitros.
Read more: http://fox5sandiego.com/2013/07/01/pit-bull-shot-killed-in-valencia-park/#ixzz2d05iUBDP
Same thing, another town:
Police in Janesville say a man was acting in self-defense when he shot two of his neighbor’s pit bulls.
Police say evidence in the case support the man’s story that he was cornered by the dogs.
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Folks in NYC, like the lady mauled this weekend by her neighbors pit bulls - they can not use a gun, since NYC bans guns. This lady was mauled so badly, the neighbors had to follow the ambulance with a " chunk of the victim’s flesh which he estimated to be about six inches deep and four inches wide. Relatives had put the torn skin on ice with the hopes that doctors could perform a skin graft."
The law has, and will, favor the individuals attacked or even just threatened by a neighbors roaming pit bulls. If the pit is in your yard, threatening you or your family, it is in fact fair game. The method of execution is irrelevant. If you don’t or can’t own a gun, improvise. Stand your ground, or get mauled like the lady in NYC.
Placing the safety of your family in the hands of Animal Uncontrol should not be considered.
cougar58, you are not going to win an argument about encouraging people to poison dogs. Since you’ve been breaking the rules a lot lately, your account is being suspended. When you come back, you had better not do this again.
Hey I’m back.
Well, let’s see which dogs made the fatality count on humans rise in the news.
Ah…here we go. 2 days ago a 2 yr old boy was killed by the family pit bulls in Colton, CA. His granny and uncle were arrested, and the LA Times says police are considering murder charges.
That happened 48 hrs ago.
Amazingly (or, not) just another 48 hrs prior to that fatal pit mauling, another 2 year old boy was mauled to death in Gilbert, AZ, by his babysitters pit bull. The babysitter , a 28 yr old woman, was also badly mauled.
So far, in 2013, 20 of the 22 fatal canine attacks on humans, were by pit bulls. That’s 90% . 2 just this week.
Please continue this debate that maulings resulting in amputations and/ or death (as opposed to generic bites), aren’t breed specific.
Jesus Christ, what a joke.
In the 4 weeks I was on vacation, yet another adult male was murdered in his own fenced backyard in Katy, TX 3 weeks ago. 96 yr old Juan Campos was mauled by his next door neighbors 3 pit bulls that broke thru an opening in the fence, and killed Juan’s pet, then performed a live leg amputation on Juan, resulting in Juan being the 97th human killed by a pit bull since Obama took office (Obama made the announcement this month that he was against BSL ). The 2 children this week were victim 98 and 99.
Note that Juan’s nephew stated that they had previous problems with these 3 “aggressive” pit bulls next door. Juan decided not to “stand his ground”. Today Juan is 6 feet below his ground.
Being that Texas is anti BSL (despite leading the nation in fatal pit maulings), and Animal Uncontrol has the “do not fire unless fired upon” mentality, what would you, dear SDMB members, do if Juan was your father, 2 months ago?
I’ve never argued against breed-specific issues with violence. My argument, which still stands undefeated, is that your argument fails because you assume, without legitimate evidence, is that the problem is a biological one that exists apart from human action, and that banning the breed will ban the problem.
Dogs are entirely the product of human beings, both in nature and nurture. If you could blink your eyes and cause all American Staffordshire Terriers, American pitbull Terriers, and Staffordshire terers to vanish insttly from all four corners of the earth, you would find yourself facing deadly Cane Corsos or Bull Mastiffs or [fill in large powerful badass looking breed here] inside few years. Then you’d start all over calling for bsl against them
You have utterly failed at proving, or even presenting scientific evidence showing a strong liklihood that pit bulls have a biological difference from other dogs that makes them particularly violent AND has nothing whatsoever to do with human interference in their breeding.
To whatever extent there is a problem, a genuine problem, and I agree that there is, it is a human problem, not a canine problem.
I swear I thought I was reading a dramatic confession that would be big news worldwide in a few hours. :eek:
Now that’s funny.
The cougar rinse repeat cycle now restarted after “vacation” … not so entertaining.
Funny.
However, the lather, rinse repeat cycle of increasing weekly fatal pit maulings, is neither funny, a joke, nor entertaining. Especially to the two families, right at this very minute, preparing closed casket funerals for this weeks murders in AZ and CA.
No answers to my question of what anyone would do, if Juan was there father, knowing the 3 pits next door had a history of agression, knowing that TX will not allow any city to pass BSL, knowing that Animal Uncontrol and police are reactive, not proactive.
Should Juan have stood his ground? He’d still be alive today, although he’d be banned from SDMB for 30 days for just suggesting it.
The answer has been given many many times before. The effective alternative to the ineffective and stupid breed specific laws are laws that target dogs and owners based on behaviors. Dogs had a history of aggression and should have been the target of control and intervention not based on the superficial characteristics of appearance but based on the behavior. This proven behavior focused approach is the one endorsed by the abundance of expert organizations I have cited to you many times before. (You remember, organizations like the CDC, and all those medical and animal expert organizations?)
100% effective? No of course not. But BSLs have been proven (and the interested reader can go back in this thread to find all the stuies, I am not going through it yet again) to be ineffective. They are the crowd pleasing knee jerk response favored by those who want to pander to a short term media driven fear cycle and by idiots; not an actual rational plan.
Good bye.
Pointers point.
Retrievers retrieve.
Human induced behavior over the course of several centuries. Not within one generation, good or bad.
No one is amazed, when their pointer, raised from birth, one day points out a quail, despite never being taught to.
No one is amazed, when their retriever one day jumps off the boat to return moms hat.
Conversely, no one is shocked to find out no amount of individual training will cause an individual st Bernard to point out a pheasant.
When folks like Darla and Greg Napora, outspoken card carrying BADRAP members, outspoken on behalf of pit bulls getting a bad rap, get mauled to death by the very pit they raised from birth and that slept in their bed, we likewise should not be amazed.
Ditto for Mike Cook of Tuscon, arms and legs ripped off, identical circumstances. Friends and neighbors said he love hs pit bull more than life itself. Ditto for the man in Burnettsville, Indiana. And more recently, the baby sitter who penned a lengthy letter, after her 2 raised from birth, spayed and neutered, non chained, put bulls killed a child and almost killed her. No one, besides pit deniers, were amazed. Half of the fatal pit attacks this year, were on the familes that raised them.
Miami Dade, Denver, and many of the 600 USA cities that have BSL, prove that it works, and that the myth that another land shark will take its place, is untrue. Miami Dade citizens like BSL so well, they overwhelmingly voted 66% majority to keep it after 20 yrs. A piss ant sized town in TX, so small both welcome signs are on the same post, had more fatal pit attacks in one year (and only pit fatal attacks) than Miami Dade in the past 20 years, with 3 million people. San Bernadino county officials stated that every fatal attack, and every maiming / amputation, the past 6 years, were by pits, and only pits. Not surprisingly one of the 2 kids killed this week was killed in San Bernadino County, city of Colton.
There is, as another SDMB member posted, science that proves pits are highest risk of most costly injuries or death. The science of Insurance Actuary data, which is taught in college as a science,
You may want to watch CNN tomorrow morning. They are explaining why insurance companies will not insure put bulls.
So here’s my situation that I mentioned many pages back. Cougar, what do you think I should do?
A very friendly stray dog came up to me while I was filling up my car with gas. It was skinny, dirty and wandering on a very major street. I took her home, gave her lots to eat and drink, gave her a bath and tried to find her owner. No collar, tags or microchip, and no one reported her missing.
As for her looks, she is mostly lab, but could be part pitbull, or maybe not. The obedience trainer thinks she is half boxer half lab. The vet thinks she is a pit/lab mix. But in truth no one knows.
She is the most unadoptable kind of dog there is. Puppies are adopted more than adults. Small dogs are adopted more than large ones. Any color is adopted more than black ones. And any dog that might possibly have pit in them is less likely to be adopted. She is a large, black, adult, maybe pit-mix. Taking her to a shelter would probably be a death sentence for her.
The kids love her totally, but I admit she is obnoxious. But obnoxious in a dog way, not a vicious pit bull way. She chews shoes, eats cat poop, and jumps up on visitors. She licks your legs, digs holes, and barks too much.
So what do you think I should do with this maybe pit-mix dog? She is sweet and has never shown an ounce of aggression towards the cats, our other dog, me, my 4 kids or our neighbors. But who knows, maybe there is a minuscule chance that she is part pit, and her evil pit side will come out and slaughter the household. Should I condemn her to death on the off chance that this is the case?
Darla Napora, and her unborn child. Her pit, raised from birth, she and Greg slept with, one day killed her. Darla and Greg, unlike you, were certain that only irresponsible owners created killer pits. Their pit had zero signs of agression, until the day it killed Darla in her bed.
Mike Cook, never a hint of agression, until it ripped his arms and legs off, killing him. How would your "effective, alternate plan of targeting bad dogs / owners, have saved Mike?
Savanah Gragg, same story.
Baby sitter of recent, who wrote a lengthy letter of how she did it all by the book…spayed and neutered her 2 pits, never chained, lots of exercise …until they snapped and mauled her and the toddler she was baby sitting as she let the pits out to roam in the fenced yard, as she had done for years, with the children she babysat for years. Her letter says it all.
Sorry, but there have been way too many cases of responsible pit owners of many years, whose pit one day snapped, unprovoked, and killed them or another family member.
Most BSL legislation, allows your pit to be grandfathered, as long as it is micro chipped, fixed, and you have X hundreds of thousands in insurance. I assure you, the cities without BSL, euthanize more pits, than those with BSL. To the tune of 960,000 per year.
Typo…unlike you, should read “not unlike you”
My city does not have BSL. She is fixed, micro chipped, and has all her shots.
So what do you think I should do?
Update your will, and your homeowners insurance to 100 k.
Ps you did describe your dog to your insurance agent, just as you did here, right?
Optional : muzzle in public, front yard sign.