Yeah there’s a double standard, but I don’t mind that all that much. But I want to give kudos to the boy’s mom. It’s nice to see that there is one human on earth that doesn’t think that the only course of action when someone is victimized is to 1) escalate and 2) sue.
The real double standard is that the 11 year old boy couldn’t punch his attackers in the face. Because they are girls.
Who is “we”? Because I don’t believe I’d be calling for “society to punish” 11 year olds for anything similar, no matter the gender.
I would (and am) calling for the kids doing the assault to get some serious counseling about what constitutes “pranks” and what constitutes unacceptable cruelty and humiliation. “Serious” meaning months of same, as well as their parents.
And without wanting to spark a whole new outburst of outrage, men and women are different. Boys and girls are different. The male experience and the female experience are different. All to say yes, if three 5th grade boys did the same thing to a 5th grade girl people would react differently- not so much because we don’t recognize that a 5th grade boy is capable of being humiliated, bullied and scared by having a bunch of kids rip off his clothes in public, but because no matter how humiliating and mean it still doesn’t look or smell or feel or hint at sexual assault. Boys doing it to a girl does.
**Stoid, **if being stripped naked doesn’t “smell or feel or hint” at sexual assault, then what does?
Fuck yeah. Do they have to assrape him with a stick?
Something more than that. Sexualized taunting, touching his penis or testicles, etc.
If a bunch of boys want to be assholes to another boy and run up to him during gym class and yank down his shorts, revealing his genitals, I wouldn’t call that sexual assault either.
Stripping someone naked for the purpose of humiliation is not automatically sexual in nature, just because sexual organs are revealed in the process.
Um…what? :mad:
I would call that actual sexual assault, not just hinting at it.
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If a bunch of boys want to be assholes to another boy and run up to him during gym class and yank down his shorts, revealing his genitals, I wouldn’t call that sexual assault either.
Stripping someone naked for the purpose of humiliation is not automatically sexual in nature, just because sexual organs are revealed in the process
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Unless it’s a boy doing it to a girl, right? What if girls do it to girls?
So do I, that’s why I said it in response to the question of what IS sexual assault.
Sorry for the confusion Stoid. You originally said that in regard to stripping a boy naked, “no matter how humiliating and mean it still doesn’t look or smell or feel or hint at sexual assault.” So my question is, what does “hint” at it? IOW, what approaches it without actually being it? I would put the unwanted stripping of another individual in this category regardless of the gender of either the bully or the victim.
We apparently agree that touching genitals is clearly over the line.
I don’t follow your dissection.
In any case, we see it differently.
Are you familiar with the Men’s Rights Movement? It isn’t so much about men’s rights, as it is about hating women. I’m pretty sure that’s what Condescending Robot meant, and why it was in quotes.
Oh wow, I’m most definitely not a woman hater but I’d totally join, as long as it was free, came with a tee shirt, and I never had to go to meetings or do anything to help their cause.
But holy cow, what an awesome tee shirt that club would have!
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Wait - is the He-Man Zombie Woman Hater’s Club made up of He-Man Zombies who hate women, or He-Men who hate Zombie Women?
I think it’s important to remember it was not three 5th graders attacking another 5th grader. It was three 8th graders attacking a 5th grader. At that age the size difference between an 11 year old and three 13-14 year olds makes quite a difference.
1 Victim: 11 years old
3 Attackers: 13-14 years old
I also think the club made of He-Men who hate Zombie Women would make a better t-shirt. Plus you have that whole Power of Grayskull thing.
Thank goodness we still prosecute hot adult women who seduce horny teenage boys.