It’s been my observation that threatening abusive people only improves your chances of being the victim of an assault or a homicide.
For all of 27 years.
HB: I hate cultures that dump their shit illegally.
Pf: You mean like white culture? {cites egregious example}
HB, moving goalposts frantically: no, when white people dump shit it’s because it’s a few thoughtless individuals; when brown people do it, it’s because they’re feckless and dirty.
They don’t need “advantage” they need equality. It’s not up to them to “integrate”, it’s up to white people to recognize the institutional racism WE’VE perpetrated and fix it.
And to whatever dumbass said that black people now don’t suffer because of slavery, this is just one example: Capital punishment in this country can be pretty convincingly traced to lynchings of slaves and random black people.
Shall we discuss mass incarceration now?
Seriously?
I will try to help you out. White attitudes about black behavior have NEVER tracked with actual black behavior. Ever. Virtually every sterotype was invented as a means to control the conduct of slaves/freedment and continued from there. As with any population you can find individuals that match the type, and if those are the ones you choose to see to the exclusion of all others, you can maintain your woldview and do as you like.
I think he meant to say wrong side of the tracks, but thought that might just be a bit too much.
And I feel you’re a cowardly jackass racist shitbag. Show me on the doll where the bad black man touched you.
So often, I think that people who are really afraid to confront their own prejudices try to take credit for the improvements made by those who aren’t too afraid.
If attitudes are getting better, it’s not because of thinking like yours. You haven’t cleaned up your side of the street. You are sitting in a lawn chair in a pile of litter pointing over at your neighbors and demanding they do something.
Listen, we all have biases. If you read that and recoil, or if you want to yell at me for saying it, I bet people in this thread can provide lots of interesting reading. We all have biases. If we want to approach the world fairly, to approach people fairly, we need to confront those biases. We need to challenge our world views, even if that makes us uncomfortable or makes us realize we’ve been a jerkface.
And this isn’t to say you can’t hate when a person does something. But when a black person does something, she isn’t her whole race. You know this when it comes to white people. You know white people are individuals. But I don’t think you really get that about people of other races. You want to use cognitive shorthand and, well, much of our cognitive shorthand is really fucking racist.
If I don’t say this to you, or you don’t read it, or you ignore it, it’s still true. I’m not creating your biases by speaking of them. You wouldn’t be creating your biases by investigating them. We can think about our thinking and we can challenge it every day. We don’t need to act on instinct and we don’t need to defend a lack of intellectual effort.
I am hardly sitting in a lawn chair, I have spent the past 28 years doing volunteer work with ex cons and addicts of all races. When I had my business for 10 years I went out of my way to support local black run businesses and start ups as well as hiring black employees in a snow white commercial complex. I put up with a lot of racist customers comments and even some lost accounts over this. I also went out of my way to employ and nurture black employees throughout my decades of running diesel repair shops. So I have and continue to be in the trenches on this issue because I believe in equality. I just get very angry at that 20 percent or whatever it is that continues to reinforce negative stereo types and the people that make excuses for them.
Why do you make excuses for the people who have and cherish those negative stereotypes? Why do you make excuses for your own use of them?
Part of what reinforces stereotypes is attitudes like yours. You’re not hateful, but you’re still lumping together all the bad behavior by any black person as if it reflects on the whole race, but not doing so for white people. You shouldn’t do that for anyone. A black person behaving poorly says no more about black people as a group than a white person behaving badly does about white people as a group.
You are not making one distinction. I am lumping them together only to the extent that I am looking for a best outcome strategy. I believe that good outcomes are self reinforcing. I would love to see things always be fair but it doesn’t appear that will ever be a driving force.
You are making things less fair. You are doing that.
emph. mine.
Don’t you see what you’re doing? Lumping “THEM” together?
Because “them” is different than “us?”
Using words like “you people” and “them” while describing other ethnic groups makes any point you may be about to make far less valid. It’s like you’re standing on the outside looking at “them” on the inside. Think about this.
Then you say; “I would love to see things always be fair but it doesn’t appear that will ever be a driving force.”
You know, I believe you really do, but that will never happen until everyone start thinking “one society, one goal.”
I don’t think he cares. 
My city has a Little Sweden neighborhood. It’s a crack-ridden hellhole.
Since it’s the Pit, can I be sizeist? The ones in the “will rise again” pic made me think “not without help they won’t”.
I am reasonably sure that the Independence of Mexico didn’t change the language or the laws as much as the Blue Boys did.
HBDC -
- You offer up what you are seeing, and your explanation for it.
- Others, many of them African American, are sharing MANY other perspectives for how to regard the situation.
- You stand firm on your POV based on the fact that you are a Practical Realist and just calling out the Truth about the hard choices that people of color have to make.
You have not listened. You have not sought connection and common ground. You have sought to portray yourself as Correct and sympathetic to the fact that others can’t see things as plainly as you.
Can you see how you come across as a closed-minded insufferable white guy who is ‘splaining to people who have lived their own version of that reality and gained different POVs?
What makes you Correct-er than anyone else?
Is there anything you should be learning from this?
Hmm, I didn’t mean to kill your perfectly cromulent Pitting, Biggirl. Sorry.