Just about the worst thing you can say about Adaher is he is wrong a lot (although not as much as some like to say), but he is very cordial, even when attacked, and he will admit when he’s wrong.
In many respects adaher is the anti-DerekMichaels00. That is, adaher freely admits he is a Republican but often takes reasonable positions that, though one might not agree with them, one can generally have reasonable discussions about. DerekMichaels00 claims to be a “liberal” but is actually just an annoying fuckwit troll with hateful far-right beliefs who is a waste of time and space on this board.
I’m not far right. I do post a lot about my disagreements with the modern left; but I am not on the right, at least on the issues that once defined “the right,” like abortion, LGB rights, and the environment. But since I don’t meet your purity test, I guess I’m a “conservative.”
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Still?
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Name one, just one, liberal opinion you really agree with. Seriously.
You’re not “conservative”, you’re a redneck bigot. Conservatives don’t find it necessary to refer to the President as “Barack Hussein Obama”, to express their loathing of traditional apparel like hijabs and to condemn them with the jingoistic adjective “un-American”, and to inject themselves into every single thread even remotely connected with Islam in order to vent their spittle-mouthed rage. And that’s just for starters. You don’t seem to like African Americans much, either.
abortion should be legal, always, late term included. Weirdly enough, when I said that,I got accused of wanting to be able to knock a girl up and not be responsible for it. Proof of the intolerance on the part of some if you agree on some things, but disagree on others.
Fun fact - my browser looks at LGB and underlines it. LGBT does NOT get underlined. So, in this, like in so many things, DM00 (likely) looks at the error, sees that it is WRONG, ad happily posts it anyway.
I am curious why you are so dismissive of imperialism or colonialism as a set of causes.
There are a number of different phenomena in play, here. We can look at different events in the world, (not limited to Islam):
When we examine the Enlightenment, we can go back the the Renaissance for its seed ground. While Europe always had warring factions, there was general stability under the religious “empire” of the church. In fact, just prior to (and providing impetus to) the Renaissance, there were a number of different movements within the church that showed more ecumenical and liberal ideals than had existed, previously. However, when some of those ideas threatened the “empire” of the church, the church withdrew to its most conservative positions, attempting to quash all such movements. The resulting Reformation and Counter-Reformation battles that neither side could win provided a basis for the development of secular thought. (It is all fine and well to hold a strict religious belief, but a secular approach allows one to work with religious “enemies” to promote trade or to form alliances with those “enemies” against others–even others who might be on the same side of the religious feuds.)
So secularism began to get a toehold in Europe.
Meanwhile, the various factors that led to the Reformation, (recent availability of large numbers of Greek and Hebrew texts that allowed people to challenge the official Latin version of scripture, vast holdings of property by the church, temporal power held by the church that provoked and promoted interference by the church with civil authority and interference by civil authority with the church, etc.), did not occur in Muslim lands, as there was no “church” to engage.
Europe’s sea borne adventures took Europeans to nearly all the globe, typically resulting in interference with local societies. From the sixteenth through the early 20th centuries, Europeans exerted increasing control over India, Indonesia, Philippines, then Egypt and Sudan, Algeria, Morocco, with attempts at Afghanistan and other locations. Following WWI, with the defeat of the aging Ottoman empire, Europeans chopped up the Middle East in ways that disrupted traditional tribal boundaries.
Meanwhile, in the nineteenth century, a conservative movement, Salafism, began in the Arabian peninsula that provided a rallying point for people upset about foreign control of their lands. The frequent reaction to this movement by the (European or European influenced) governments was fear accompanied by suppression. This gave status to the Salafist groups as freedom fighters, as well as strengthening the groups and making them more conservative (as persecution generally does).
The Cold War kept some of those groups contained, and provided more persecution to encourage proselytizing and conservatism: The Shah’s anti-Islam laws, the treatment of Filipino Muslims as “communists,” the suppression of Islamic culture in Indonesia, (again the laws were couched in “anti-communist” terms), the Soviet suppression of Chechnya, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and other events. As the Cold War wound down, the major powers turned their attention away from their proxy wars and the Salafists were able to promote their beliefs as a combination of indigenous freedom fighting and a return to “real” Islam (although Salafism is only one of many movements within Islam). Thus, the most extreme of the Mujahideen supported by Reagan and Bush were able to re-form as the Taliban, and eventually conquer Afghanistan, protests against the Shah’s anti-Islamic laws allowed the Ayatollah Khomeini to establish a theocracy in Iran, bin Laden, angered by what he considered the irreverence and corruption of the House of Saud created al Qaida and then turned his attention against the U.S. that had propped up that family.
Of course, amidst these many movements and conflicts, it was hardly surprising that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Abu Omar al-Baghdadi could come up with the idea of “retoring” the Caliphate and creating ISIS, (much as Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge established a brutal regime based on a “pure” Maoist Marxism that had little to nothing to do with the actual ideas of Karl Marx).
So, European (and later, American), interference in their countries played a strong role in providing the Salafists the opportunity to proselytize their particular version of Islam across the world. Very few Salafist groups are purely religious. Pretty much every one of them has its origins in rebellion against attempts to suppress either the religious beliefs or the desire for self-government of the people.
Because you made it about you, asshole. You got accused of that because that is what you said.
Moron.
No. Being liberal doesn’t bind one to a monolithic set of beliefs, but neither can one cherry-pick one or two random checklist items while subscribing to a whole large swath of bigoted idiotic redneck hate and racism. You can’t spew vile hatred and right-wing trash and sound like you’re channeling the very worst of Rush Limbaugh, and still be able to claim that you’re in some bizarre sense “liberal”, as you constantly and idiotically insist on doing. You’re the very worst of the far right and don’t even have the self-awareness to see it.
And incidentally, you should go back and read that post that you linked. Dude, you didn’t get “accused” of that, you said it in your own words. I don’t think you even have a clue why actual liberals support abortion rights. It’s not for the asinine, self-serving, predatory, misogynistic reason that you were bloviating. Honestly, you’re such a fuckwad that I’m sure that you don’t even know what liberalism or progressivism even means.
And, oh yeah, that post was in one of your own threads, yet another thread that you started to spew vile hatred, this time against the transgender community. You really are a hateful piece of work.
Right. DerekMichaels00, by your own words you don’t support abortion rights because you’re a liberal, you support them because you’re an asshole.
Great Og on a pogo stick this is truly gold. How does this guy find the intelligence to breathe?
Who was the guy who started various threads on the topic of precisely how much he could participate in an act of conception without being legally responsible? One of his threads described a scenario of one couple using a condom, then handing it to another couple who turned it inside out and re-used it, resulting in Man A’s sperm impregnating Woman B.
His alternate obsession, as I recall, was being castrated - physically or chemically. I know I commented in at least some of his threads, but either I can’t recall a useful keyword or those threads were deleted. Surely someone here remembers; it was well within the last two years, I am confident.
Anyway, compared to that guy, DerekMichael’s problems are banal - even petty.
His reason for supporting LGB (not T – he hates T!) was similarly weird – based on some sort of genital electrode test.
no, it was based on the concept that its morally wrong to disciminate against people for things they cannot help and cannot change. The case I mentioned was that physical manifestations of arousal and sexual attraction (orientation), such as erections and lip-wetting/nipple hardening are not like moving a limb, which can be done on a whim.
Same LGB rules apply to the T’s.
It’s wrong to discriminate against people for things they can help and change as long as these things cause no harm to others. Even if homosexuality were a choice, it’s wrong to discriminate against them. The source of homosexuality is irrelevant as to how they should be treated.
And your “physical manifestations of arousal” thing continues to be really, really weird. That shouldn’t matter.
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says who? The far-left? Ever think dissenting from the canonical liberal line is OK?
Why is it weird? I like hard proof for things.
Also, what point does the tolerance-of-everything-and-anything thing end? How far does it go? The South Park episode “Death Camp of Tolerance” says it best.
See, this is why I pitted you; even tho I admit maybe I should’ve waited for a better occasion instead of just generally; you follow me on a rather steady basis for not taking the canonical liberal line, and you and your helpers here turn me into a right-winger.