YDNRC. I mentioned all 3, I did not distinguish between them. And I used the specific phase “psychic trauma” by itself, anyway, so take your weaseling and shove it.
And you did not answer the specific question I just asked, either, Monsieur Belette.
Okay. So psychic trauma, rather than psychological trauma. What’s the difference?
If it’s not leaving a long-lasting effect on the psyche (i.e. not a disorder), it’s still not trauma is it?
~Max
Why, have you posted a “strict legal definition” of psychological trauma that I missed, Herra Lumikko?
Psychic trauma, psychological trauma, same thing. They both refer to adverse events that leave long-lasting effects on the psyche. That means causing or triggering a mental disorder.
Here, you pedant.
psychic trauma a psychologically upsetting experience that produces an emotional or mental disorder or otherwise has lasting negative effects on a person’s thoughts, feelings, or behavior.
You’re still asking me to assume Black Americans as a race are collectively susceptible to mental disorders, which is, IMO, racist and wrong.
~Max
I think what you mean is that you were talking about a court case, and you think there’s some sort of rules of order that mean that MrDibble should have known, cared, and only engaged you in that context, because a close reading of your personal post history would have demonstrated your intent.
I don’t think anybody else reading that thread would assume any given post was only about what was legally actionable. The discussion in that thread was about whether the email was racist, whether it was threatening, whether it was OK, and as a corollary, whether saying it isn’t racist or isn’t a threat is OK.
I mean, c’mon, man. If blind lady justice herself descended into the thread and rendered the absolute immutable legal judgment that the defendants should get off scot-free, do you think anybody’s opinion about whether it was bad or wrong would change? They would say ok, exhibit number seven hundred million that the law is a ass, and they would continue their discussion. You know that, right?
It has already been determined that conservatives are immune to embarrassment.
See there where disorders are distinguished from other effects?*
Not every reaction to psychic trauma is “mental disorder”, but I’m sure that’s the brush you’d like to tar the response with. Just another “Mad Black Woman”, amirite?
Man, fuck you. American Blacks are no more susceptible to psychic trauma than American Whites. Whites in America just haven’t been put into the same circumstances for generation after generation, continuing to today.
Fuck you for that transparent attempt at playing “No, you’re the real racist”, every racist weasel’s favourite game. Doesn’t work with “How come you can say that word”, won’t work with “what, you saying Blacks are crazy just because they’re Black” either, містер ласка.
* Yeah, that’s how you distinguish terms, asshole.
How can I look at his posts in any other context?
~Max
I’ve definitely been talking about the court case. But I’ve been talking about what the law should be if it was true to its intent, not the watered-down version Whiteness is probably going to serve Walker.
In the other thread I tried to come up with an analogy that might be close to an equivalent of what this woman went through, but from a white perspective. It’s not easy, because there really isn’t anything. White people just haven’t faced race-based terrorism on a large scale, anywhere in the world.
So instead, I proposed a scenario based on cultural differences instead. In my hypothetical situation, I came up with story where a white person in the Middle East (who was the only westerner in his group) was sent an email with 9/11 imagery from another person from the Middle East, calling the man a terrorist as bad as Al Qaeda. That was the best I could do.
I think a reasonable person in that situation might be afraid for their safety, even if there was no explicit threat in the email. I don’t think that’s unreasonable, and I wouldn’t consider it simply “stress”. Stress is something you deal with as a part of life. Fearing for your life is more than that. Just calling that sort of thing “stress” seemed offensive to me. If I was in that situation, and someone said, “Oh that’s stress”, I would be royally pissed off. It’s extremely tone deaf, unempathetic, and when you’re talking along racial lines, it really makes you look like a racist.
Yes, I suppose I hadn’t accounted for a traumatic event in which your psyche comes out functioning better rather than worse. In fact I do think people of color are more psychologically resilient.
So why would I assume a Black person is going to suffer from psychic trauma when they see a picture of a Klansman, without regard to how the picture is being used? Are you saying anybody in similar circumstances would be traumatized? Jews with images of Nazis, even when the message is a political attack comparing the Jewish recipient to Nazis?
~Max
Racist motherfucker thinks he’s funny.
Because that’s what they tell you?
Aah, yes, the many, many American Jews still having to teach their kids not to backchat the police. That well-known phenomenon of Driving While Jewish. Yes, Jewish trauma and Black trauma are indeed interchangeable.
Dumb fuck.
Props to the motherfucker for more successfully shitpicking his own putting to death. And shame on you for letting him.
This is a pit thread, not Great Debates.
I’m certainly not debating the shitstain. point-and-laugh is not debate.
After the email was sent.
What does that have to do with seeing an image of a KKK member?
~Max
So, back to “she’s lying”, is it?
Maybe you just really are this dumb.
??? Not at all what I meant.
Me: If I were in his place how could I know sending this email to a Black person would cause psychic trauma?
You: Because that’s what Black people tell you.
Me: They only tell me after I’ve sent it
You: Back to calling them liars???
~Max
"Because I am a dumb racist and don’t know any Black people, and have never heard any other Black people describe what living under White supremacy is like.
Black Lives Matter? What’s that?"
To be fair to the defendant he probably doesn’t know any Black people, we are talking about West Virginia.
And it’s been a long time since I’ve talked politics with a Black person (in person) myself.
~Max
It seems increasingly possible that you literally can’t. But someone else would look at the words in them and think to himself, “ah, I see… he thinks that the specific context of being a black woman in an extraordinarily racist American state and receiving pictures of literally the literal Klan constitutes a type of intimidation that I am not able to personally understand, and that my personal incomprehension is not evidence of what is reasonable. Perhaps I am not as good at divining the meaning of the experiences of other real-world beings as I believed.”