@UltraVires is being clearly disingenuous in this thread, pretending that this is some new topic that has never been argued before.
He even admits that he knows it will be contentious, but is clearly using dismissive language to try and piss people off.
And I know he can do better, as I’ve seen him do so in other threads, even on legal topics. He actually can sometimes seem like he knows the law when his desire to shit on the libs doesn’t get in the way.