Plasma or LCD?

TVs are getting more and more confusing. We’re in the market for a new TV, maybe 42 inches. We don’t watch a lot of tv–mostly movies from Netflix and flipping the channels stuff until something interesting shows up (HGTV for me, stuff blowing up for him). We’re not into sports. What we need is a tv that we’ll be able to view from angles because, although our couch faces the screen directly, we’re about to get a recliner that will be sitting off to one side. We don’t have a lot of space to move the couch back (I’ve been hearing that we should sit 3 times the distance back, so I was imaging 126 inches for the 42" screen, which is okay).

So, would we be better off with plasma or LCD? Is 42" really big enough (our current tv is 35")? We have a Wii and a DVD/VCR and the digital converter, but not much else to plug in. What brand would be best?

Thanks.

If you’re a stickler for picture quality and the blackest blacks, etc, plasma might be best. But LCD uses less power, is lighter, and is potentially longer-lasting than plasma. A 42" screen should be ok if you’re sitting up to 10 feet or so from the TV.

Sounds like you’re where I was five months ago when I went shopping for a big TV. I was replacing a 35 incher with VCR/DVD player. I did all the research, including looking at that reference chart on distance to TV and size of TV. I couldn’t decide between a 46" or 52" model. A friend gave me the best piece of advice – “A TV can never be too big!” So I went with a 52" LCD and it’s absolutely fantastic. And you know what, it’s really not that big! A recent issue of Consumers Reports had excellent choices for you. You’ll need to also get a blu-ray player to take advantage of the HD quality from blu-ray discs. And don’t forget the HDMI cables, but don’t pay too much for them. Just my opinion, but going from 35" to 42" is not much of an upgrade.

For me it came down to glare/reflections. I got the LCD because it has none and that was my most important issue (even the plasmas with anti-reflective coating were showing a lot of reflections). It used to be impossible for me to watch movies or play video games in the daytime, because in dark scenes all I’d see is myself sitting on the coutch. With the half wall behind my couch, at night I’d just see the reflection of the kitchen lighting. No such issues anymore.

All websites will list the width/height and viewing angle of the TVs. Measure your space to see what fits nicely. I’d say go with the next one up from 42", probably 46". I have a 46", and the couch is only about 6 feet away and it’s perfect. Viewing angle is like 178 degrees on my LCD, and I’ve actually sat in a chair that is on the same wall next to the TV and been able to watch it (although it’s not particularly comfortable). I think plasmas have equally high viewing angles, but again this is usually given in the specs on the website.

Whatever you buy, first thing after you get it set up is to turn down the contrast, brightness and backlight level. It looks much better and doesn’t hurt the eyes. Otherwise it looks worse because the pixels “bleed” together if they’re too bright.

Make sure you actually go in to Best Buy or something and compare the different TVs on the wall to each other. You’ll notice that some look better than others, so go with the one that you think looks better.

Oh and make sure you get component cables for the Wii and DVD player (or HDMI). Hooking anything up with normal RCA or coax will look horrible and make you wonder if you made a mistake. Monoprice is great for ordering cables on the cheap.

Yeah my general feeling is however good it looks in the store, it should look even better in your home, assuming you have a good high-definition source you’re feeding it with.

Even more important is to be watching HD content whenever available. If you’re an over-the-air antenna guy, you’ll be fine in a few weeks when the analogue will no longer be an option to mistakenly dial in to. If you have cable, you need* to upgrade to an HD package.

*Of course, “need” is subjective. You don’t “need” anything TV-related. But if you’re going to have an HDTV, you’ll highly desire HD content, as SD content will actually look worse on your new set than on your old.

You mentioned Netflix. Do you guys watch a lot of movies? I also recommend a bluray player. Upconverting DVDs look pretty darn good, but bluray is really impressive. Amazon currently has a really good deal right now - a Samsung BD-P1600 for less than $180, and it comes with 4 bluray movies. Deal.

Anyone know how his VCR is going to perform after the digital switch?

All VCRs I know of have analog tuners. For those using an antenna, a VCR will not be able to tune channels after the digital switch. Your only option will be to hook up antenna -> converter box -> VCR -> TV, and use the converter box to tune the channel you want the VCR to record. The VCR will record on only one channel 3 or 4, whatever is the output channel of the converter box.

Don’t be afraid to go with a big size. I got a 31.5" Samsung LCD (27.5" screen width). I had been thinking of the next larger size, but this one looked huge to me in the store. But 4:3 shows are just slightly bigger than on my old TV, and I wish I could’ve gotten the larger size, but this size really was the largest one I could practically consider.

I think one way to judge how a given size would look in your space is to cut out a large piece of cardboard/construction paper to that size, use a magic marker or something to black out where the frame would be, and put it where the TV will go.

To me, even old programs look surprisingly better (except for a few small artifacts). But maybe it’s because my eyesight isn’t perfect. I’m delighted with the TV.

Probably. The gap is narrowing all the time, but the very best LCDs ( like the new LED-based models ) are still rather more expensive than comparable plasmas. But note that the differences aren’t huge. Overall customer satisfaction with ALL modern flat-panel TVs is very high.

I think at this point the “longer-lasting” is more potential than real. This is an area where plasmas have narrowed the gap on the other side.

I’d go bigger. At ~nine feet I’m at 50" and while it is just fine on reflection I think 58" would have been even better. While everybody varies a bit on how they perceive things, the general rule of thumb for most consumers when it comes to flat-panels is “bigger is better.” As noted large widescreen flat-panels can look HUGE in the store, especially if you’re moving up from an old 4:3 CRT. But once you get them in the house, this tends to disappear. Bigger screens are more immersive, assuming they aren’t so huge and you’re so close you notice pixels or your eyes have to constantly roam the screen. There is a happy medium, but it tends to be slightly larger than most folks initially judge. For HD content 40" or more is probably recommended. For 1080p, some say say 50" or more.

I went plasma. Modern LCDs at the same pricepoint utilizing 120 Hz modes for smoothness seem just a little “video-like” to my eyes - very sharp and bright, but film looks more like it was shot on high-end video, rather than film stock. That’s extremely subjective, though - not everybody perceives it that way.

LCDs are brighter, tend to be less reflective ( though the better ones are more reflective these days, because you can get darker blacks that way - many Samsung models in particular, often among the best of the LCD sets, have this issue ) and thus work better in brighter rooms. This is not incidentally why LCDs tend to look much better in big box stores and easily outperform plasma in sales. But all TV viewing suffers in brighter light. If you can shutter your viewing room, plasma is still just a bit better according to most reviewers.

Generally I don’t think you can go wrong either way. For me it was only a little more than a coin-toss decision.

Brand-wise, with the demise of Pioneer, Panasonic and Samsung seem to be the way to go on plasma. LCD-wise, Samsung and Sony ( pricey ) seem tops. I got this one, now one generation old and last year’s news: CNET: Product reviews, advice, how-tos and the latest news

LCDs are definitely longer lasting than plasmas. I install TVs in sports bars where they are used 18 hours a day, 7 days a week. So this is an “accelerated aging” test for the use they’ll get in a home. Every single plasma has significant wear, aka “burn in” in places where network logos appear (thank you so much, ESPN). LCDs are free of this wear. They will get darker and more uneven as the florescent tubes providing illumination to the panel wears, but the panel will return to full brightness if you re-lamp it. When a plasma wears, the replacement cost of the panel plus labor will exceed the replacement cost of the unit. In bar usage, we consider 2 years standard for plasma replacement.

The number one reason for plasma over LCD has been black level. But the current generation of LCDs, especially the models from Samsung and LG, equals plasma black levels. The very best LCD technology, using LEDs as a backlight instead of florescent tubes, is even better allowing enhanced color and fully black areas of the screen.

Both LCD and plasma will ultimately be replaced by pure LED or OLED technology.

Don’t think you can fairly evaluate any TV in a Best Buy. For one, the environment in those places has nothing to do with your home. They are drastically brighter than your home, and in order to compete with that lighting and with the other sets, they are all set to a cartoonishly bright configuration, usually labeled “Vivid”. Change it to “Natural” or “Neutral” to get a more realistic view. Also, bring your own DVDs, because the material they are showing is almost all bright, and if you enjoy movies, you’re not going to see anything that features scenes in most movies.

It goes without saying that any place that won’t either let you use the remote to change the settings of the sets or play your own material doesn’t deserve your business. Visit a smaller, independent retailer that will allow you to do so and will have a more realistic viewing environment. And if you do, please, don’t be an asshole by using their time and expertise and going on-line and buying the same model to save a hundred bucks.

What? Are DLPs out of the question? I thought they were the best bang for the buck.

I’d grant your example, but I’d question its applicability to even long-term average home wear. Most people aren’t going to have ESPN or the like ( and yes, they suck ass over this issue ) running continuously long enough to actually burn in irreparably on modern sets. Some image retention, possibly ( I’ve seen none to date, myself ) - but modern sets can “clean” that. Current estimated lifespans for the most modern plasmas seem to exceed likely natural turnover rates for new TVs - or so claim some AV pundits :).

I’d certainly agree for bar usage, gamers that like to pause a screen for an hour or two while they go to lunch or sports junkies that monitors ESPN 24/7, LCD would be the way to go. But for most home users, it doesn’t seem to be as big a deal.

CNET and those OCD AVSforums geeks disagree ( on balance ), though the gap does seem to be getting narrower by the day.

And, you know…geeks. Probably worth taking the pixel-peeking zealots with a grain of salt ;).

Horrifically expensive still and most reviewers seem to prefer the best Pioneer Elite Kuro plasmas, still ( which are damn expensive as well, but cheaper than the best Sony LED machine ).

Very likely true. But we might be a few years out in terms of equalization of cost. Plasmas definitely seem to be dieing on the vine first, though, on that I’d agree - fewer manufacturers each year. It increasingly seems to be becoming a geek niche, rather than a default consumer choice.

Excellent advice.

The thing is, I’ve seen it in homes of people who watched news constantly, or any financial channel channel, or preferred to watch 4:3 programming without squashing everyone’s heads.

I’ve seen it on CRTs, projectors (a customer burned a $35,000 Sony G90 with a single night’s display of a DVD menu), and every plasma I’ve ever seen. I can put up test signals and show you wear patterns on any plasma that has been used more than a month (I’ll also show you the anti-vibration wire on your old Trinitron tube and the comb-filter artifacts on any composite source - I’m not a pleasant person to watch TV with).

The “cleaning” is BS. It consists of trying to “burn” the rest of the display to match the burned part. The wear happens naturally in any phosphor-based system. Phosphors get darker the more they are used. Look at the ends of a florescent tube. Look at the base of an incandescent lamp.

I figure anyone buying a set plans to use it for at least five years. At the end of that time, I’m quite confident the LCD will be in much better shape than the plasma.

My sister-in-law has one, and it is a damn sweet TV. I’ll take my tweeked-out Samsung LCD though. I love black level, and use a Sony 1270Q 8" CRT projector in my main home theater (nothing touches it for black level). I have to be careful about burn-in with it - something I don’t have to worry about with the Samsung.

Thank you.

If you’re not after the flat cabinet of a plasma or LCD, yes.

So 'twould appear :stuck_out_tongue: ( I’d always spot that damn distracting wire myself - had to train myself to ignore it when writing text on my old CRT monitor ). But I think you might be willing to grant that based on the above you’re probably a tad more discerning than the average TV viewer.

Well, not BS in the sense they do seem to at least damp out minor image retention to the point where most people no longer notice it. But yes, it technically is shortening lifespan, as you are any time you turn that thing on.

Eh, well, I won’t argue the point. You certainly are much more experienced in the practical application than me. I’m the sort who obsessively reads about any new gadget I purchase, but a professional in the biz I’m not. Also like I said I came very, very close to getting a Samsung LCD ( the 750 at the time ) myself.

But the point I made earlier does seem to hold - as consumer electronics go, flat-panels as a group seem to have remarkably high customer satisfaction rates. The great majority of people who get either LCD or plasma seem reasonably happy with their purchases. In the end most HDTVs seem pretty darn nice compared to the old days.

The OP mentioned the requirement of viewing at a large angle. This is one area that can give LCDs real trouble. Plasma displays do not have this issue.

And while large displays work just fine with HD signals, some look dreadful with SD signals unless you’re sufficiently distant.

gaffa, any interest in breaking down a tiered recommendation of sets for people? I’d be interested in seeing a Best Set and a Best Value for a $1,500 budget.

Wow, this has been very informative. I think we may lead more to LCD than plasma (I’m worried about reflection and the burn issue has me concerned), but I am a bit concerned about viewing angle. Are any LCD sets better at that than others? CR had a Toshiba in its listings for 42-inch, although now you’ve got me all concerned that 42 isn’t big enough. Thanks so much, guys.

I have a Panasonic PW6. Reflection is not a problem if there’s no direct sunlight. And the burn issue is not a problem unless you have your set tuned to one channel for a very extended period.

So a large bay window off to one side won’t be a problem?

I always sided with LCD for sheer $$ vs performance, but I recently “traded up” to a Kuro Plasma and I gotta say… the picture quality is CLEARLY better than my previous set (which was a Sony Bravia, no slouch itself…)

Will most people care? Nah. But I am really, really happy with this tv. The picture quality is by far the best I’ve ever seen. Blu-ray content is mind-blowingly gorgeous. I vow not to purchase another TV until this one dies!