Oh GREEEEAAAAAAAAAAAT! My “style” of figure is disappearing as “evolution changes the human form”?? (paraphrasing).
funny, I never had any probs attracting guys with my monroesque-ness, and I don’t even pose nude.
I read it for the articles.
Yeah, well, I think Playboy is in the process of having its balls shrink and fall off, which I suspect is why its models are getting all skinny.
To put it in perspective, the most downloaded babe on the Internet is Danni Ashe, and she’s not exactly skinny. Real guys like real women. (Granted, Danni may not BE a real woman, being a lesbian Internet pornsite operator, but she sure looks like one!)
I presume everyone knows how to get to Ashe’s site, but if not, add “.com” to her first name.
Is that not directly linking? Why yes, I think it is.
Guess what: skinny chicks are real women too.
I thought Cindi Margolis was the most downloaded…
Also, I read that to the seafaring Europeans, the Orient was India and its neighbors, IIRC, from a Smithsonian magazine. The Persians seem to be into making rugs a lot more than the Chinese do, but I might be wrong. Of course, as time went on, the Orient was pushed further and further back until it bacame what we think of today. An example of the Indian connection would be to look at the Oriental style with some European art and imports and note the elephants. Not too many in Japan.
Well, the saying goes, “You can never be too rich or too thin” so I guess next you will be expecting us to commisserate with you over all your excess wealth.:rolleyes:
She and Ashe sorta duel for it. One year it’s Cindi, one year it’s Danni, according to their press releases. I have no idea how these things are determined.
Actually, I expect you to not be a jerk.
A “real woman” is a post-pubescent female human.
Evil Captor: (sorry haven’t figured out how to double quote yet) To put it in perspective, the most downloaded babe on the Internet is Danni Ashe, and she’s not exactly skinny. Real guys like real women. (Granted, Danni may not BE a real woman, being a lesbian Internet pornsite operator, but she sure looks like one!)
Whew and thanks EC, nice to know we’re still appreciated.
Well, it sure seems as if most of the media in America would want us all to fit the profile of PRE-pubescent female form in order to be considered a “real woman”.
From Hollywood’s cadaverous “lollipop heads” (so nicknamed because they are sooooooooo thin their heads appear to be attached to a stick by comparison) to most models in Fashion mags, the message to American women is: “if you don’t look half-starved you aren’t worth anything”.
Playboy, Hustler and their ilk were the last “holdouts,” I find it kinda sad that that’s no longer so.
I think it is inexcusable to argue that any woman is not real because of her body type. Or, for that matter, any man.
It isn’t acceptable for the fashion rags to attempt to push their narrow view of what’s an acceptable human form on the masses of people who neither have bodies shaped like that nor want to ogle bodies shaped like that.
It isn’t acceptable for anyone else to push their narrow view of what’s an acceptable human form on the masses of people who neither have bodies shaped like that nor want to ogle bodies shaped like that, either.
Of course all women are “real” women. We’re talking about real women, that make ya go, “hubba HUBBA!”
There is a difference.
BTW, what did you expect in a thread about Playmates? I’m glad that we’ve finally got the discussion back on track.
I think, rather, their PR people duel it out for who can make the most outrageous claim. Next time someone tells you they are the most anything on the internet, ask for a cite.
FWIW, I was corrected a few months ago in private by an Asian coworker for earlier using the word Oriental in a meeting. (To describe a new contractor we had hired). According to him, in the Bay Area at least, it is considered offensive. Asian is preferred, however the country name is acceptable provided you know for certain that is the person’s nationality. (Again, according to him).
Whatever - if it’s considered offensive that’s a good enough reason for me to not use it. ::shrug::
Back to the topic… Wimmins!
There’s a lot of talk about models being thin and skinny and lollipop-y and how our culture deifies that. However, you see this look mainly on runways. Find a fashion that you see on a runway that has been directly translated into mainstream fashion straight from the catwalk. I think that the thin-is-in is only really promoted by the fashionistas who people only rarely listen to anyway.
Want a real gauge of what I think we seem to be sending our young ladies about how they should look? Take a look at Britney Spears. The woman has some nice angles! It’s not like she is a tiny waif who would be crushed by a strong breeze, she is curvy and popular because of it. In contrast, let’s look at Callista Flockhart, a poster girl of the modern skeletal woman. I don’t know anyone who finds her attractive. Most of the guys I know would just want to feed her cheeseburgers until there’s something to hold onto.
Fashion rags may tell you that you need to look flat and small to be attractive, but, get this, men will tell you otherwise. Who do you really want to believe?
I thought that for runway models, the emphasis was on their ability to show off the clothes. I’ve been told that big hooters would ruin the lines.
(Hence the emphasis on skinniness for runway models. On the other hand, Laetitia Casta . . . )
I haven’t read the other threads on this topic and so don’t know if this has yet been mentioned, but surely Edward Said’s book Orientalism has been tremendously influential in changing “Oriental” into a dirty word. The book came out in 1978 or 79 and made a very big splash in academic circles (humanities and certain softer social sciences) in N. America, Britain, and beyond. Tremendous trickle-down effect, through all the academics who’ve read the book and regurgitated it to their impressionable students. As I recall, Said himself wasn’t concerned so much with the word “Oriental” per se as he was with Western hegemony over the Orient and how the depiction of Orientals has figured into it, but the regurgitation process hasn’t exactly been under his control.
Here’s a decent "summary of Said’s Orientalism from what seems to be someone on the English faculty at Emory University. A quick google of “Orientalism” turns up over 66,000 hits, if that gives you an idea of the influence of Said’s book.
The fact that many Koreans, Japanese, etc. do not find the word “Oriental” offensive is hardly surprising if we assume (and maybe this is going too far) that the anti-Orientalism movement is coming primarily from academia. It’s not a bottom-up movement, and it’s not coming from Asia (Said himself is a Palestinian).
Re: Skinny fashion models
I read somewhere that the real impetus for skinny fashion models is that most fashion designers are gay men, and they like ultra skinny models because they remind them of their sex objects – teenage boys.
Now, as for real women, hubba hubba, what Doghouse said. My point about “too rich or too thin” is that there are a lot of people who buy into skinniness, so my expressed taste for non-skinny women doesn’t affect that. I do think the viewpoint of men who like womanly curves are underrepresented in the mass media, except for Internet, where websites have to stay a lot closer to their audience, and where feedback is a lot stronger and more immediate.
And there are a lot of people whose body type is not under their control, no matter what they “buy into”. I’ve seen a lot of people who think that it’s perfectly acceptable to insinuate that people of certain body types are brainwashed, buying into some image, suffering from an eating disorder, or otherwise defective – and, further, that they’re not “real”.
The idea that some women are “real” (and therefore that others are not) does nothing but feed the cultural image that there is some sort of ideal body image to “buy into”, and that people’s self-worth can only be based on having the correct amount of boobage and hip, whatever that amount may be. It’s destructive, and it’s disgusting.
It’s likewise destructive and disgusting to claim that “real men” are the sorts who agree with your body type preferences. There are plenty of real men who are attracted to slender body types and plenty of real men who are attracted to reubenesque body types and there are even real men who are attracted to both. And I’m more inclined to consider someone a “real man” who can express his preferences without needing to slam the people he’s not attracted to – which means any comment containing “real woman” that isn’t distinguishing between real flesh and plastic pretty much disqualifies the speaker in my eyes.
You like reubenesque women. Good on you. That doesn’t mean that other women aren’t real, that other men aren’t real for being attracted to them, or that women you’re not attracted to don’t have curves of their own. The value of a woman is not defined by whether or not you are attracted to her.