Pleasure as a Weapon

The Painless and Pleasurable Bombs thread got me to thinking: is it possible today to build a ‘tasp’?

For those who have never read a Larry Niven science-fiction story, a ‘tasp’ is a hypothetical device that induces pleasure from a distance. It was described as the ‘ultimate weapon of the pacifist’: disable your opponent by a a disorienting and distracting blast of pleasure.

I know that pleasure can be stimulated through wires to the brain. In the Niven stories, there were ‘wireheads’: people addicted to brain-stimulation of pleasure. (I suspect that this may be close to practicality.) And ‘the wire’ was a disturbing way to commit suicide.

But pleasure as a weapon? Is there any way to induce disabling pleasure quickly from a short distance?

Forget science fiction. There was a real-life case of a con man who murdered his victim with food. Good food.

He ingratiated himself into the rich man’s life and kept taking him out to dinner. He also ingratiated himself into the rich man’s will. They dined on the richest food Paris had to offer: filet mignon, lots of heavy cream sauces, paté de foie gras, etc. Every so often the con man would make some excuse and slip away to a spa where he drank mineral waters until he’d purged his system. Then back to pigging out with the victim. Eventually his arteries gave out and the con man collected his inheritance. He must have thought it was the perfect crime.

This is a true story but I can’t remember exactly whodunit. I read about it many years ago in The People’s Almanac.

No we can’t do it.

You can a) show a pretty picture and hope to distract them, or b) use real bright lights and blind them or make them look away.

The same for the other senses.

All you can do is overload the sensory organ, use sonics to shake it apart, or use microwaves to cook it.

We can’t comunicate directly with the brain yet, short of inserting electrodes. When we can, then yes.

I guess you could spray cocaine instead of tear gas, then get rid of the bodies of those who OD. But I don’t think thats what you want.

Ralph Nader’s sister (who we all know is an authority on everything) claims that they made college dorms coeducational (In the early 1970s, mostly) to distract the rabble rousers and keep them too busy with sexual intrigue to go out and protest. She cites that no other sex segragated institutions (the military, mental hospitals etc.) went co-ed at that time. I don’t really believe her, but it is an interesting idea.

If it was true, this would be one roundabout way of using pleasure as a weapon.

There was a thread earlier this year about the Monty Python joke-weapon in WW II.

As Dr. Evil’s son pointed out, “Why don’t you just shoot them”?

If the body gets too much of a “good” thing, it passes out or otherwise goes into a shutdown mode --unless it comes on so fast that it overwhelms the body’s “surge protectors”. I’m thinking in this case of these unfortunates who drink themselves into an ETOH OD, and shut down their breathing and heartbeat brain centers. But generally, too much “pleasure” becomes pain, and then the body says “no, no more”.

The only exception to this I know of is the drug “Ecstasy”. As I understand it, serotonin is (very roughly put) chemical pure pleasure as far as the brain is concerned. This Ecstasy (MMDA?) —in “recreational” doses— triggers big dumps of this serotonin, producing ecstatic amounts of pleasurable feelings. The “weapon” in this is two-fold: 1.)Direct damage to the brain as a result of taking the drug, and 2.)The after effects of taking the drug.

Dealing with the latter first, I hear tell the “high” is followed by a marked “low” as the brain’s suppply of serotonin is at least for a while depleted. Theoretically, after exposure and “coming down”, an enemy might be too depressed to be motivated to take whatever action. But you could get the same effect easier, quicker, and more reliably with some king of light sedative.

Going to brain damage: Yes, it occurs from taking the drug. Or at least it can. While not everyone who takes the drug is noticably brain-damaged (at least more so than before), there are cases on record of severe brain damage occurring.
I’d like to link to a radiology image I have on file, but I don’t know how. I’ll give you some of the text here (moderators --The original is probably copyrighted, so do as you must):

"A previously healthy 29-year-old man was brought to the ER after being found in bed unconscious and difficult to arouse. He displayed abnormal posturing in the emergency room.

"Diagnosis
Anoxic/toxic brain injury

"Discussion
Symmetrical low attenuation pallidal lesions in adults are compatible with a diffuse metabolic insult such as hypoxia, global ischemia, or exposure to toxins. Presumably the more metabolically active areas in the brain are preferentially injured. These include the putamen, caudate nucleus, thalamus, parahippocampal gyrus, hippocampus, cerebellar hemispheres, brainstem nuclei, and cerebral white matter. The underlying event can be hypotension, hypoxia, hypoglycemia, or exposure to carbon monoxide, cyanide, barbiturates, or hydrogen sulfide. In cases of carbon monoxide poisoning, pallidal hyperlucency on CT may persist for months, and MR findings, which are compatible with hemorrhagic necrosis, may persist for years. Although brain injury is generally associated with a poor prognosis, the extent of cerebral white matter lesions may be a better predictor of outcome.

“This patient did not have documented hypotension, hypoxia, or carbon monoxide exposure. His toxic screen was positive for opiates, benzodiazepine metabolites, and amphetamines. Laboratory testing revealed acute renal failure, rhabdomyolysis, and liver injury with transaminitis. The overall clinical picture was compatible with exposure to 3,4-methylenedioxymethylamphetamine (MDMA), also known as “Ecstasy”. Use of MDMA has been associated with the multiple organ injury seen in this patient, including hypoxic brain injury and hemorrhagic infarcts. Laboratory confirmation of MDMA use in this patient could not be obtained.”

Also:

"Popular Drug Ecstasy Not Harmless Like Many Users Think

Effects of the Drug Just Now Being Understood

By Elaine Zablocki
WebMD Medical News

Reviewed by Dr. Jacqueline Brooks

July 24, 2000 – Distracted by the seemingly safe mellow high, users of the drug ecstasy don’t realize its profoundly harmful long-term effects on the brain, say researchers who’ve been studying the drug’s effects.

Ecstasy has become a popular drug among young people, often used at all-night parties called raves. It produces mild feelings of well-being and is reported to make users more sociable, one researcher says.

Current studies suggest the drug has its effect through a massive release of the brain chemical serotonin, which can affect – among other things – mood, behavior, memory, learning, appetite, sleep, temperature regulation, and heart function. This becomes a problem because, in essence, the serotonin is then “used up” and is unavailable to perform its day-to-day functions. Although the body tries to replace the chemical, it has a hard time catching up.

“Consumers are not aware that ecstasy risks include death from drug overdose and long-term damage to brain cells,” says Stephen J. Kish, PhD. “Here in Toronto, we now have about one ecstasy-related death a month. Three years ago, we had none. Young users do not realize the danger. The word is not getting out to them.” Kish is head of the human neurochemical pathology laboratory at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, and associate professor of pharmacology and psychiatry at the University of Toronto School of Medicine in Canada.

Since ecstasy is an illegal drug, data on its use is not easy to come by, but available information suggests use is increasing. In 1998, 1.6% of those aged 12 to 17 used ecstasy, up from 1.3% in 1997, says H. Westley Clark MD, JD, MPH. About 5% of those aged 18 to 25 used ecstasy in 1998, up from 4.6% in 1997. Clark is the director of the Center for Substance Abuse Treatment in Bethesda, Md.

A great deal of animal research has shown that when animals are given ecstasy, the serotonin levels in their brains drops and they develop and nerve damage. “This appears to be a long-term problem that can last over a year,” says Jim Winslow, PhD. He says that in the animal research to date, they have not been able to determine how long it takes to recover from the effects of ecstasy. Winslow is associate research professor at the Yerkes regional primate research center at Emory University School of Medicine in Atlanta.

In the past, some observers have argued drug levels used in animal studies were so high that similar effects wouldn’t be found in humans. Now a study by Kish, published in the most recent issue of the journal Neurology, reports the same effects in a person who used ecstasy over a nine-year period, and died at age 26. He started out using the drug once a month, but from age 23 onward, used it four or five nights a week. An autopsy of his brain found serotonin levels 50 to 80% lower than in people who had not used ecstasy. “That is a striking reduction,” Kish says

If people who use ecstasy experience a massive release of serotonin, followed by substantially lower serotonin levels long-term, that would explain both the feelings of well-being they experience while using the drug, and the long-term depression, anxiety, and other symptoms they experience once it wears off.

Recent studies of people who use ecstasy also suggest its use leads to the loss of reasoning ability and memory. In addition to lowering serotonin levels, it appears to permanently damage the brain cells that produce and use serotonin.

“There is now a large body of data, mostly in animals but also in humans, indicating [ecstasy] is highly toxic to brain serotonin cells,” says George A. Ricaurte, MD, PhD. “The study by Kish is very important because it shows these changes in brain cells occurring at dosage levels actually used by humans.” Ricaurte is associate professor of neurology at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore.

The emerging data on the dangers of ecstasy mean parents really need to open a discussion about drugs with their children, Clark says. Too often, parents assume drug problems only apply to other people’s children. “You need to talk with them about drugs and alcohol,” Clark says. “While most don’t use drugs, a substantial number do.” "

Kurt Vonegutt wrote a short story (the title, of course, escapes me) about a pleasure-emitting device. In this case it was some sort of broadcast signal. It offers a humorous and memorable glimpse into some of the practical difficulties of such a device.

FWIW, it was one of the stories in Welcome to the Monkey House.

While we’re hijacking this thread: Ecstasy can also result in extreme hyperthermia (overheating). Victims have been found with core temperatures of 109f, or more, which is usually fatal, and always long-term debilitating.

even sven, Obviously thats a ridiculous theory (although its nicely conspiracy-related).
Abbie Hoffman protested a Lot during the sixties. He also had sex a Lot too.
Theory disproved.

I just have to point out that the OP reminds me of both Barbarella, Queen Of The Galaxy (“I will now kill you with pleasure.”) and Orgazmo (The Orgazmorator).

JCHeckler wrote:

In the case of drinking oneself into a coma, it’s because alcohol is a depressant, and the victims have essentially paralyzed themselves with ethanol. While drinking is a wonderful pastime, one shouldn’t equate it with pure pleasure that overloads the body’s surge protection.

Cap’n: True. I didn’t use a good example. I’m sure you can think of plenty of others where your body just says “Enough!”. Maybe too much coffee or candy, or whatever.

I didn’t know about the MDMA causing overheating. I did know cocaine does that, too.

In K. W. Jeter’s Noir, the female protagonist, November, has neural pulse inductors built into her fingertips. We are introduced to her as she baits a sexual predator into a train station bathroom, then uses her finger weapons to induce an orgasmic epileptic fit in the mark, and then takes advantage of his state to borrow the man’s own pistol and ventilate his cranium with it.

Not a pretty scene. Not a pretty story for that matter. It seems like Jeter tries everything he can think of to gross out the reader in new and innovative ways… but it’s a great story if you can handle the sometimes slow pace, and Jeter’s collision of noir-fiction and cyberpunk styles. A lot of people I talk to can’t, but IMHO they’re letting themselves be distracted.