Oh man, it sounds like I’m going to have to buy it.
Hey: I also liked Wraith more than the other settings, but IMO they really screwed it up after the first book (although 2nd ed was pretty cool). I suppose that’s the main problem with any game: you gotta keep putting products out and to do that you need to put in new material. Sooner or later, you have too much conflicting information. One of the things that really put me off of role-playing was the crap that came very quickly after the first few books.
Almost like planned obsolesence in a way…
So, what are the primary themes of this new Vampire? The old one was nice and listed everything for your (young vs. old, humanity vs. beast, peace vs. war, etc.). From reading the quick start on their web site, it really seems like they’re going back to the feel of 1st ed.
Unfortunately, my favorite thing about Vampire and Ars Magica was the troupe style play, which doesn’t sound like it would work too well in this iteration.
My big problem and the reason I’m nto buying any of these:
Base book 26$.
Specific monster books: 35$.
Likely expansion books: 15$
There is a problem with this: It gets even more expensive than most RPG products. And that’s just not worth it when I can easily just make up all the rules I need off of variants from my second-hand Vampire 2nd book. I just don’t need the extra rules (heck, we never bothered to play with all the extra mumbo-jumbo and world-ending crud they obsessed over anyway, since it was pretty pointless).
I think I’ve paid full price for two of the White Wolf books I own. The vast majority were bought on sale (usually %$20 off), at used bookstores (%50 off) or at garage sales (for a dollar or two).
One thing that I never figured out about most RPGers was why they feel compelled to buy every book that’s made. Granted, I had practically every 2nd ed. Vampire book, but I didn’t have a life. In other games, we got along plenty well with just the core books.
Of course, D&D has been using the same idea of core book for rules and expansions for…30 some years now but I hear nothing but praise for that idea.
I’ve never felt compelled to buy every book in a line. I like the idea of optional expansions. There are a bunch of VtM books I’d like to get. There are also a bunch I have no interest in. For example, in my chronicle the Giovanni have been losing power for a long time now. So I don’t really care what the 3 books of the Giovanni chronicles have to say. There are other books in the line I don’t like as well.
Oh, I hardly feel the need to buy them all, but even payng 60$ for something that is, at best, a marginal improvement over what I already had isn’t a very good deal IMHO. I just don’t see what Im getting out of this to justify even buying 2-3 of these books.
The relic bomb that caused the 6th Maelstorm in Wraith was Little Boy (Fat Man). The bomb that was used on Hiroshima.
Changeling along with Hunter, Demon, Mummy, etc got an end of the world story in Time of Judgement.
The novel, Gehenna (the end of the Vampire world), written by Ari Marmell was an excellent book. I am waiting not-so-patiently for the second and third books.
Now to crap on the thread.
I playtested the original Vampire back in '91. Mark-Rein Hagen (the creator of the Storyteller sytem) and I spent hours talking about the game, and what we, as players, wanted. He seemed actually interested in making an adult RPG that wasn’t filled with cursing, nudity, and all the other ‘trappings’ of adult RPG’s. After White Wolf showed him the door (just before 2nd Edition), I stayed around and continued playing.
I played until early 2000 regularly, and bought the novels and some of the RPG books as well, just to keep up… because I liked the game.
In 2003, at Gen*Con, White Wolf announced The Time of Judgement. All the years of angst were over. Gehenna had arrived, and nothing was going to stop it. The books would stop being printed, and there would be no reprints. The World of Darkness was over.
Four months later they announced a new World of Darkness.
:eek: :eek: :mad: :rolleyes:
I guess I am an old skool player who is burned by it, but I do not plan on buying the new WoD or supporting White Wolf any longer.
That is hilarious, and acurate.
If you are interested in roleplaying, may I suggest D&D 3.5 edition. Players only need one book (the Players Handbook) and the DM only needs two others (Monster Manual and The Dungeon Masters Guide), so it makes it easy for entry level players. All the other books are for flavor, add to taste.
Doc, here’s a quick guide to Wraith describing most of the more unique bits of Wraithdom, the lands of the Dead, the various Arcanoi (i.e. ghost powers), etc. Hardly comprehensive, but you’ll probably find it interesting anyway and maybe useful if you ever run a WoD Chronicle. Hope you enjoy.
It’s in .RTF format since it was written in Word Perfect and I don’t know how well it’d convert as a .wpd to a MS word file.
Jophiel Thank you. I’m sure I have copy of the proper edition of Wordperfect as it has been my word processor of choice since for over a decade now. I know I have WP 5.7 on the spare drive, but I think I’ll need to find one of the CD’s with a windows version.