Are you saying that free speech requires that employers not be allowed to fire someone if they say something that hurts the business? Are you saying that criticism is bullying and harassment? If not, then what are you saying?
That is indeed a feature. Willful intellectual myopia is a feature as well.
Are you seriously claiming you are unaware of public universities sanctioning students for expression?
For instance Christina Hoff Sommers was shouted down by campus bullies just for speaking about the problems faced by men – whom many Liberals consider “oppressors”.
I have no sympathy for Count Dankula who was convicted of Hate Speech for joking about Holocaust. That is clear Hate Speech. Sadly many Leftists abuse people for valid speech which does not violate any code.
What sanctions, and what expression? If a student threatens another student, or says they shouldn’t exist or be in the country, then that might violate a reasonable code of conduct. If your want to disagree with specific parts of these codes of conduct, feel free to cite them and tell us specifically what you disagree with, and I’ll be happy to discuss it. It’s entirely possible that there are parts of various codes of conduct that I think are inappropriate.
This has nothing to do with Freedom Of Speech.
ETA: OK, “Freedom Of Speech 101”, someone organize a seminar or something.
I am saying that “targeted abuse” as defined by most Social Media is bullying and harassment.
In my opinion it should be illegal to fire people for making valid complaints. Already, there are many reasons for which it is illegal to fire employees – like whistleblowing.
In USA 2018, there is Nominal Freedom of Speech. Like in USSR under Stalin.
Real Freedom of Speech is totally different.
Be in country? It’s not the role of a public university to censor immigration debate.
Threats are against the law. We have police. Though, the police do nothing when the threats are coming from left wing rioters.
Okay, so you have your opinions, and others have theirs. Fun.
I asked for specifics. Do you have them?
Are you fucking serious? She was shouted down by campus bullies? And you think this was a violation of Free Speech?
Salon challenges the main thrust of the conservative argument here:
I am not saying from legal perspective. I am saying that any decent person would find shouting down of Christina Hoff Sommers morally reprehensible. She did not insult anyone – she just spoke about problems rarely discussed on campus.
Denigrating a well lived public figure immediately after she dies seems like a sad cry for attention and a completely classless gesture. You should be free to do it, should keep your tenure, and not be surprised such a move is unpopular, especially if bragging at length about your tenure.
What surprises me is Canadian university newspaper headlines on whether, say, religious speakers who believe in abortion should be allowed on campus at all. I don’t agree with their views, and probably neither do a majority of female students (who possibly care more about the issue than many male students). But not allowed on campus? The lines between free speech and the more nebulous “freedom from being offended by anything” sometimes seem strange.
Well I don’t know anything about her, but I clicked on your link long enough to see the phrase “rape culture” and realized that I didn’t give a fuck what else was covered there. As far as decent people go, I’ll leave that up to you. The irony of someone shouting being a violator of free speech makes me thirsty. Where’s my beer?
Indeed, attacks on Mrs. Barbara Bush were not illegal, but they were evil.
Given that the thread is about a call to fire someone for making complaints, what do you think: is it morally reprehensible to call for firing Jarrar? Or do you think her complaints about Bush were invalid, and so it’s fine to call for firing her?
I think you’re totally confused on the question of free speech. At least you’re trying to engage, instead of throwing puerile stinkbombs like magellan–but you really need to figure out what you think free speech consists of, and then figure out to what degree it maps to how other folks use the phrase.
It’s weird, in context of previous discussions on this very topic, that specifics elude you.
But here’s a handy reference Spotlight on Speech Codes 2016. Speech codes have been found to be unconstitutional time and again by courts. Yet, universities continue to have and enforce them. Most likely due to the cynical calculation that most students will be sufficiently intimidated and/or lack the resources to mount a challenge.
Jaar’s Speech was extremely offensive – maybe she should be fired. Likewise Count Dankula was rightly convicted for joking about Holocaust.
In my opinion, people who make valid points should be protected from retaliation. For instance, whistle-blowers are already protected.
So, you’re good with the government punishing people for saying opinions you don’t like, am I understanding you correctly?
As long as you understand that your position is at odds with free speech as we understand it here in the United States, I think we’ve made ourselves clear to each other.