I do not know. Perhaps even offensive speech should be tolerated until it crosses into abuse and harassment. Perhaps erring on the side of Freedom is a better policy.
In Europe only extremely hateful speech – like joking about Holocaust is penalized.
That’s very broad, not specific. Which speech codes in particular, using what language, do you have a problem with?
All of them.
So you have a problem with schools sanctioning threats?
Still a body count of zero for those “left wing rioters”. Whodathunk? Please, I would like to subscribe to your “ANTIFA Pearl Clutchers Anonymous” newsletter.
Antifa aren’t the only left wing goons. And Antifa’s ineptitude is irrelevant.
Is that a violation of current law? If so, let the police deal with threats. Though we have seen the police do nothing even during a riot so i’m not sure of the utility of police. Universities are not law enforcement.
Given that she’s been protested numerous times before, and the group that invited her was condemned by “the Portland National Lawyers Guild, Minority Law Students Association, Black Law Students Association, Women’s Law Caucus, Immigration Student Group, Jewish Law Society, Latino Law Society, OutLaw, and Lewis & Clark Young Democratic Socialists of America,” I’d wager she’s not exactly a popular figure in the first place. Granted, all I know is that she feels feminism accomplished everything it needed decades ago and contemporary feminism is simply being used to create privilege for women.
She’s roughly the gender version of those that cry of the systemic oppression of white people in today’s society.
Alright then, ANY body count for left wing goons? Because we’ve gone over this - one side of the spectrum is actively trying to kill people, while the other one, well…doesn’t.
That didn’t answer the question. You said your have a problem with the entirety of every college’s speech codes, and I’m drilling down on that. Do you have a problem with colleges having regulations that sanction students, including the possibility of being expelled, if they make threats?
News flash:
Free speech has been discovered to not be the only right that exists.
Second news flash:
I am free to take a shit when I need to, but not free to do so into your boots, because my right to take a shit conflicts with your right to use your boots in peace.
In other words, every right is limited by someone else’s right to something else.
This is useless. Let’s look at one such speech code, which your cite fusses over: Johns Hopkins says that “Rude, disrespectful behavior is unwelcome and will not be tolerated.” This sentence alone seems to be the basis for their condemnation of Johns Hopkins (although their materials are so abstruse that it’s difficult to tell).
And yes, preventing “rude, disrespectful behavior” within the university setting is a limit on free speech. But it is not a limit on substantive debate. Indeed, despite the fussing of FIRE, JHU clearly makes this distinction:
How do I know this? Because FIRE linked to this policy in the course of excoriating JHU.
octopus, do you stand with FIRE, in saying that universities must allow not only ignorant, misguided, and offensive views on campus, but must allow them to be put forth in rude, disrespectful fashions? Do you make similar complaints about “speech codes” in places like courtrooms, or public hospitals, or legislative buildings?
This is why FIRE is such a garbage organization. It’s one thing to call for free speech on campus, in terms of protecting the right of people to argue respectfully and civilly for shitty positions. It’s another thing to suggest that universities, unlike most other government institutions, must allow assholes to disrupt their functions with shitty rude behavior at the employees and clients of the institution.
No, they don’t go to jail, because there is no imaginary LAW against “hate speech”. But students do suffer consequences, from suspension to expulsion.
Okay. Have some examples to share so we can look at the specifics?
How in the world is saying that someone who is here illegally shouldn’t be here speech that can reasonably run afoul of a code of conduct. The only way is if the code of conduct is a ridiculous piece of nonsense. You realize that you’re arguing that the stating of actual FACTS should be subject to being controlled?! In a place of learning?!!
From one quick Google search, from the first page:
That’s not exactly what I said. Further, do you have any evidence that such a code exists, and that anyone has been sanctioned for nothing more than expressing an opinion on immigration?
The first appears to be an editorial article, and I didn’t see any specific reference to an actual incident of a student being sanctioned for hate speech.
The second was a student expelled for shouting abuse at other students on campus, as well as repeated drinking violations and other behavior highly disrespectful to fellow students. Do you believe there should be no consequences for shouting racial slurs at others on campus?
The third and fourth involved students advocating for the murder (lynching) of black people on a radio show and a video. Do you think there should be no school sanctions for advocacy of murder?
The fifth involved a video of a student shouting abuse and racial slurs. Do you think there should be no school sanctions for shouting abuse and racial slurs on a video one posts to a public forum?
The fifth is the only one I’m questionable on. From the article, she didn’t advocate violence or murder, just general hatred. Based on that article, I’m undecided and would want more info as far as whether it’s appropriate for a public university to sanction her. But all the others were pretty clearly very reasonably sanctioned, IMO.
Stalin, Mao, and other left wing goons say “hi!”
You realize that no amount of cites are going to satisfy the constantly teleporting goalposts?