Well, thank GOD you have pointed out the problem here; the wave of rapes being conducted in the bathrooms of the nation by transgendered people with working penises. So THAT’S what this is all about.
I wonder if you could share for us some of the stories of poor people being raped in bathrooms by these transgendered penis-owning people. Just a sample. Well, a couple maybe. OK, one single story. One.
And has been pointed out, every time you are in a male bathroom, THERE MAY BE A WORKING PENIS near you! MY GOD! There should be some kind of a law forbidding this! Won’t someone think of the children?
But you’re fine with male organs being present in the bathrooms or locker rooms your young son uses? Why? What’s the difference?
And why should we non-transphobic people (and trans people, of course) treat your transphobic views as if they deserve consideration with regards to policy, compared with the much-higher rate of trans people being threatened and assaulted for using the bathroom?
Being afraid that trans people will harm your daughter if they use the same bathroom is pretty much the most basic form of transphobia, by the way… just like being afraid that gay men would harm your son in the bathroom is the most basic form of homophobia… or being afraid that black kids will harm your white children if they go to the same school…
How about because I can be in there with him, for starters?
As I’ve said, I am open to compromise. I would be okay with shifting definitions so that post-adolescent people with working penises are prohibited from a bathroom that anyone else can use. So little boys, little girls, and women could be in such a bathroom. And then anyone, including but not limited to postadolescent boys and men, could use the other bathroom if they wished.
It also seems clear that architects going forward need to redesign public buildings to have a bunch of individually locked single-person bathrooms instead of group bathrooms.
This kind of sums up your thinking, eh? To hell with what medical doctors say, what research says, what science says. YOU have decided yourself that transgendered people are just delusional, and that they’re just making shit up. And YOU don’t want to have to accept the science, the research, the medical knowledge.
Because of the horrible imagined threat of transgendered rape.
I don’t expect you to change your mind, or even think about this for a second. You have already decided to ignore factual evidence that you’re wrong.
No, we don’t have to re-design buildings just to accommodate a minority of closed-minded people who want to ignore factual medical research, and continue to harbour strange fantasies about the transgendered.
So even though there’s no evidence that trans people are more likely to assault children (and there may be evidence that they’re far, far less likely), you still demand a “compromise” and would rather continue the risk of assault for trans people then get over your transphobic views?
A-ha, I just solved your problem. Just keep your daughter out of public bathrooms and locker rooms. Then your mind can be at ease. She can just hold it until you get home, right? I think some have advocated just that same solution for trans people, so why isn’t that a good solution for your daughter too? It seems this would alleviate your fears about the issue, right?
You just gave me an idea, Euph. We could have three bathroom types, “Men’s,” “Women’s,” and “Republican scaremongers’ and worrywarts’,” using the standard icons for the first two and a chicken with its head in the sand for the third.
Una,, if you take the tiger from the third picture with you, I doubt anyone would tell you what bathroom to use! Cripes, I wouldn’t get near the big kitty!
And to answer the question about which bathroom to use? Use the one you feel most comfortable with. Every human being, transgender or not, has to poo and pee. So for me, it’s a non-issue.
I think this is a strawman. I think the fear is that cisgendered predators will enter restrooms and, if discovered, will feign being trans in order to excuse their presence.
Don’t mistake my explanation for an endorsement: this is still a largely speculative fear. A person who is living the gendered life he or she actually is (as opposed to the gender assigned him or her at birth) is not going to do anything in the restroom except that bodily function for which the restroom was designed, and a predator gains no great advantage by entering; the moment the predator makes an inappropriate move they lose any protection of their false claim.
And, as has been pointed out quite convincingly, the harm we do as a society to trans people by forcing them to adopt a social sign f the gender they have left behind is real, severe, and painful. So these laws are foolish, for multiple reasons.
I am not going to accept your strawman of repeatedly referring to my “fears”. I happen to believe that nothing bad would likely happen if my daughter went into a men’s room by herself and used a stall. That doesn’t mean I think it’s the best idea for everyone in America to do all the time. I think the risk is very very low but not nonexistent, and I don’t think that people’s discomfort with it makes them bigots.
I also don’t think that being delusional is in any way the same as “making shit up”. I absolutely believe that delusional people are 100% convinced that they are not making anything up.
But this fear is also ridiculous – requiring trans people to use their birth sex bathroom would make this predatory behavior easier, not harder… a cis male predator could go into the ladies’ room and say he was born a woman and is trans and therefore is required by law to use the ladies room.
The risk of predators hurting your daughter will be higher, not lower, if you require trans people to use the bathroom of their birth sex. And the views you’ve asserted are the very definition of transphobia – you are afraid of what trans people might do to your daughter. That fear is entirely irrational, and even counter-productive for your daughter’s safety, since she is at a much, much higher risk of being harmed by cis people than trans people.
You can keep insisting that I’m afraid, but that won’t make it so.
The last line you used is a kind of sophism that I have seen when discussing mental illness and shootings, and on the subject of vote fraud. People say the mentally ill are far more likely to be the victims of violent crime than the perpetrators of it. But they either don’t realize or are purposely deflecting the fact that this tells us nothing about whether they are more likely than non-mentally ill people to commit violent crimes. And then on the subject of voter ID, people try to prove it’s not necessary because so few people get prosecuted for vote fraud every year. But if they are not required to show ID, why would we expect them to be prosecuted?
Nobody is insisting anything, you keep telling us that you’re afraid. Otherwise why do you keep going on and on about people with working penises being around your daughter in a public bathroom? If you aren’t afraid of that scenario then what is the cause of your worry, if not fear? How do you explain your feelings about what you are concerned will happen to your daughter if trans people can use whatever bathroom they are comfortable with? What word do you use for that, if not fear?
I think you may be protesting a bit too much here…
Then why do you believe that trans people pose any greater danger to your children? What is this belief based on?
And if it’s not fear, then why do you not want male organs around your daughter?
There’s no evidence that trans people are more likely than cis people to commit any crimes at all. There’s no evidence that trans people are any more dangerous to children than cis people.
Add into that the fact he refuses to answer my direct questions, like pretty much every anti-transgender person I ask them of, and it’s clear what his real issue is. We’re “icky,” and he can’t really defend his fear of us. :rolleyes:
Cripes, I wouldn’t get near the big kitty!