The point is that everybody is able to use the restroom they identify with from their gender identity point of view.
What’s left to care about is whether they are using it because that’s how they identify or for prurient reasons. The latter being frowned upon. Hence, the need to hang on to gender based facilities for a little bit longer.
True. Yet somehow I think society will find a way to adjust and be okay with it.
Always nice to have the backing of cowards, I suppose.
But you still don’t get this.
If someone decides they don’t prefer it, they “ruin it” for everyone else. In other words, if women prefer to pee only with people who look like other women, and a woman like Aniya Wolf uses the women’s room, all the other women have to accept it. Same goes for any other scenario involving preference for sex, or gender, or whatever - if one person prefers something else, their preference (by the presence), overrides that of everyone else’s.
If one person prefers unisex restrooms - and uses the restroom that doesn’t correspond to his gender - then by doing so, he or she turns that restroom into a unisex restroom for everyone else in it, just by using it.
I’m not complaining about this, just pointing out the folly of pretense.
Whoah, dude! Three thousand posts on the subject, and I wasn’t convinced. But now? CONVINCED! You convinced me! END GENDER SEGREGATED BATHROOMS FOREVAH! FOREEEEEVVVVVAHHHHH!!!
Everyone agree? [say yes, everyone]
Great! Let’s move on.
http://theweek.com/articles/625892/liberals-latest-lazy-cultural-crusade I think this says it best.
No they won’t, because there is no such thing as gender. A female can dress and appear in every way to be a man, yet still identify as a woman, as my example showed, and use the women’s room. But knowing that that person is actually female, even though she appears to be a man, doesn’t matter, because a biological male (transgender woman) could also use that restroom.
So if you can look like a man and use the lady’s room, and you can be male and use the lady’s room, what’s the point of preferring that you not be both at the same time?
Why would anyone care about identity?
Do you prefer not to pee next to people with the opposite gender identity? If you don’t care what their biological sex is, and you don’t care what they gender appears to be, why care what’s in their head (which you can’t ever discern without asking, and that’s going to be really awkward) about what gender they think they are?
If people cared about identity, then the policy that transgender people can go in the bathroom of their gender would come with a prohibition that they go in the opposite one (corresponding to their sex). Do you think we should ban transgender men (biologically female) from going in the women’s room? If so, why, when a person who look exactly the same, but who identifies as female, is entitled to use the women’s room? Nobody else would even know the difference.
Sure, and that’s fine. But the only way they’re going to do that is unisex restrooms. That’s going to be a difficult transition, and we shouldn’t pretend it’s not.
I’m not even trying to convince you of something. The fact that you don’t understand that shows why no, I’m not going to just move on.
The transgender issue has blown the lid off gender entirely. That’s fine. Most people don’t see that. I do. The idea that we can just throw a bone to transgender people and then just continue on as before is naive. There is more to come. I think that’s great, but I’m ready for it. You’re not. It matters because this is the future of debate over this issue, even if you can’t see it.
My response to lance is in that other thread.
From the article (bolding mine):
One of these (bolded) things is not like the other.
The problem is that the issue of transgenderism is misstated as a choice: “they should be permitted to change their birth gender?”
The prevailing wisdom is that it’s not a choice and that children are discovering, not choosing, their predetermined gender. That’s quite different from having a beer or voting.
Perhaps you’ll have better luck explaining this to DerekMichaels00 than others have thus far.
I will similarly not attempt to parse and refute your arguments on the subject because it’s been done by others repeatedly to no avail.
However, in the interest of moving this further along, what do you mean by, “There is more to come.” ?
They are only “discovering” it after being overloaded with sexist misinformation that men who think or behave in some way typical of women are women, instead of what they actually are, and will always be, which is neurologically atypical men, and vise versa.
Exactly! 
More challenges to the idea that gender is a legitimate reason to separate people. More challenges to the idea that gender can be determined by looking at someone’s appearance any more than looking at their genitals or their genetic makeup. More challenges to the idea that someone even has to have a gender, or that there are only two of them, or that gender even exists.
I’m not complaining about that. I’m just pointing it out.
This is so emphatically stated it hardly needs a cite (?).
Good plan! Could be simplified though:
Cool! So I, a cisgender man, can go in the room marked “Women” and all the women should mind their own goddamned business about my bathroom choice.
The cite is the English language itself.
Language does change, and people have every right to lobby for certain changes, including this one.
But people also have a right to refuse to go along with changes to language that they deem to be manipulative and/or ridiculous.
What if they aren’t being overloaded with any such information, and still feel they are female (or vice versa)?
Some people have no trouble defying this sexist information. They proudly dress, look and act like the opposite gender yet don’t identify as that gender, as my example above demonstrated. Some are homosexual, some are not, but gay people aren’t transgender. And in fact, one would think that if your theory were true, all gay people would be transgender instead of gay.
The English language doesn’t determine people’s genders, or define them. Language doesn’t define anything. It is simply the tool we use to describe things. We can change our language any time we want to.