Yes, if such a project were economically viable. Else, I would participate in/join boycotts with the aim of making the existing road economically disasterous for the current owner. If that failed and if the road were important enough, I would join with others and wrest control of the road from the current owner.
So? What happens? There’s enought sci-fi fans on this board that this is important. We live for giant sentient squids! All hail the squids!
I told him that if the squids produce title to the land that precedes his title, and they did not willfully and voluntarilly transfer their title, then the land is — ethically, at least — theirs. All hail the squids.
Ask me some time about the man who owns all the water on earth. Maybe I should start a thread sharing some of the scenarios I’ve heard. :eek:
Theoretically, yes, assuming that was the only egress. However, limited access is one of the big reasons I would never, ever, ever, live in a gated subdivision or a one-big-meandering-cul-de-sac type of place. Note also, that my car would be decorated with large “Screw Bigotboy” signs, at least for the duration of the road in question.
Possibly, assuming that the cost-per-share was low enough for anyone in my neighborhood to but into it, at least on some level. I might also buy stock in a corporation whose sole purpose was buying out bigotboy’s (and other people’s) road holdings in my area. In general, I think that in an anarcho-capitalist (and not merely libertarian) society such as the one you are positing, you would see a fairly common outgrowth of the neighborhood association into “the neighborhood business partnership” - single organizations that would own most of the roads, say, and provide free access to any paying member, with the membership being predicated on neighborhood residence as well as ability to pay. It wouldn’t be just roads, either - there’s no point in having everyone build their own emergency generator if it’s cheaper for the neighborhood to build one for paid members.
Granted, that doesn’t prevent our hypothetical bigot from simply purchasing enough land to encircle his least-favorite ghetto with a big impenetrable wall, which is why I’m not an anarcho-capitalist.
Oh, and the squids wouldn’t simply need proof of deed. but proof of habitual use (they must have acted previously on the assumption that the whole landmass was theirs. Without that, I don’t buy it.
Of course, if the squids really are Cthulhu-spawn, the attendant rise of the corpse-city R’lyeh and impending madness of the human race would make legal niceties quite a bit pointless. FTR, though, the cylindrical guys from Antartica have a much more recent claim.
What if the road was owned by an asian, or a mexican, or a native American? What if the sign said “No whites allowed” and the owner was black? Hell, what if a black woman owned the road that said “No blacks Allowed” and just didn’t like other blacks? Is the context the same? Just about everyone seems to assume this is a white man posting the sign. Are we all still on our moral highground? If I was allowed to drive on the road, I probably would.
Only if it was a faster/quicker route than the first road. I use my car to get places faster than foot or bike. If it saves me time and, thus, gas it would be a good investment.
Was this a subtle allusion to L.Neil Smith’s (Science Fiction’s most famous Libertarian…I’m pretty sure he was Libertarian’s Veep candidate in the '80s.) Contact and Comummune series which featured superintelligent dimension-hopping squids who lay claim to our asteroid belt? (Recently reprinted in an omnibus volume called Forge of the Elders)
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And this one is straight out of a Jack Kirby comic called “OMAC”.
Hmmmm…apparently fun books/comics I’ve considered “enjoyable fluff” are secretly Libertarian Koans…<darkly>[sub]or propaganda![sub] :eek:
(Btw: That sounds like it’d be an interesting thread, Lib!)
What if the squid had no concept of adverse possession? How would peaceful and honest sentients proceed without a shared understanding of the legitimacy of the underlying system of property rights?
My answer to the poll question (that I would not be inclined to proceed either peacefully or honestly) is based BTW on the fact that roads are not like seafood stalls at a market. The second road faces a huge cost disadvantage, enough IMHO to make the first road tyrannical. A seafood stall would merely evoke a boycott and Some Guy’s design on a T-shirt.
(To tie pop-culture references into the discussion of our Tentacled Overlords, did you ever read an old DC comic about a depressed cephalopod that threatened hari-kari to stop crime? The book was called The Suicide Squid.) G, D & R.
Should we further assume that there is no country as we know it today, owing to the fact that without publicly-owned roads, there could not be cross-country trucking? Surely you don’t believe that private enterprise could succeed in criss-crossing the continent with the kind of highways we have today, especially in a libertarian society where a landowner could refuse to sell access to the road-builders for any reason at all?
Ditto. See, there are SOME things we can agree upon!
There aren’t many Jack Kirby comics I have not read (at least one issue, anyway), but OMAC is one of them.
Only lasted about…8(?) issues, DC, 1975 or so. Part of DC’s “Great Disaster” future (as opposed to it’s Legion future or it’s “Everyone lives in two giant cylindrical cities” from Flash future)
Ever read Kamandi? OMAC (One Man Army Corps) is Kamandi’s um…Grandfather? Something like that.
Good, but very, VERY weird stuff. (But not as weird as Kirby’s greatest creation: **[i}PARANAX:* The Fighting Fetus** (A Giant, Cosmic Space-Fetus in Kirby Battle Armor[sup]tm[/sup]). No really. I’m serious. Captain Victory and the Galaxy Ranger circa 1985. Honest)
What a coinkidink! A professor of economics at College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, MA, and his son wrote a paper called Roads, Bridges, Sunlight and Private Property Rights, examining the consequences of a privately owned road from Boston to Los Angeles that divides the United States in half.
I read EVERY issue of Kamandi, including the ones written and drawn by others after Kirby quit. I used to read comics by the stack. Every week, I’d buy as many as I could afford and read every one cover-to-cover through the night (usually a Friday). Even then, it was impossible for me to read every comic published and Kirby was possibly the most prolific comic book artist that ever lived. Did you know that he and Joe Simon invented romance comics to try to get girls to read comics? Their popularity skyrocketed in the fifties after the publication of Seduction of the Innocent, the ill-founded assertion that America’s youth were being corrupted by horror comics, which led to the demise of many comics publishers.
One last thing about Kirby: The character of Lt. Dan Turpin on the recent animated Superman was a tribute to Kirby. In the episode “Apokolips… Now!”, Turpin was killed by Darkseid.
Lib, that’s a long document and I need time to read it before I can respond, if I can respond. Others may respond to it if they wish.
Yup, I’ve read a bunch of the Simon and Kirby Romance Comics. They’re <sob> wonderful.
Wertham’s logic was wonderful :rolleyes:. “I work exclusively with juvinile delinquents” he said. “All the kids I work with read comics…therefore READING COMICS MAKES KIDS CRIMINALS!” :rolleyes: Apparently, the good doctor had never heard of a control set.
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They killed “Terrible” Turpin!? Those BASTARDS! I’ve been reading about the character since he first appeared in Forever People.
Urrrr…the Hairies in Kirby’s Jimmy Olsen comics seemed to have an anarcho-libertarian system of government. <end lame attempt to tie hijack into OP>