Apparently their child lived for 2 hours after birth, so technically it wasn’t a miscarriage, but I do agree with your point.
People respond to grief in a variety of ways. The loss of a child is often the most heartbreaking loss of all, and I would not judge how someone chooses to say goodbye to a stillborn or newly born dead infant. In particular, one way that stillbirth and neonatal deaths are different than many other deaths is that in other kinds of deaths you had a chance to take pictures or make memories with the person while they were alive.
It doesn’t surprise me at all that a parent of a stillborn child would want pictures or time to cuddle their dead child. They were robbed of the chance to cuddle or take pictures of that child alive.
I have no problems with parents wanting to hold their stillborn fetus. I have major problems with them taking it home and having their small children hold it.
Santorum has been singing this same song through his whole political career. He was elected to the House in a conservative district initially, then opportunity brought him to the Senate. Once in the Senate, the entire state of Pennsylvania took a close look at him, and gave him the boot. His act goes over big at the Knights of Columbus Hall, but in practice he’s a bumbling politician. He’s in his 14th minute now.
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I see him as just 100% for sale. I doubt anybody is as surprised at how well his campaign’s going (not that he’s in any danger of winning) as he is; I think (personal opinion only) he just wanted to up his name recognition so he could charge more for his “historian consultation” services.
I think Newt is devious and morally bankrupt. He’s a bad guy, we know he’s a bad guy, and he knows we know he’s a bad guy. He’s not doing himself any harm by staying in the race. There’s nothing crazy about that guy; he’s just mean and greedy.
I don’t care what Santorum does with his own fetuses. He can keep them in the closet with his sweater vests and his jars of santorum if he wants to. It’s what he wants to do with everybody else’s fetuses (or lack thereof), in combination with his creepy and obsessive beliefs about other people’s sexuality and his bizarre conviction that all people be governed by his personal brand of Christianity that have convinced me he’s bonkers. If he just said this stuff to score points like Newt does, he’d just be a creep. His belief in it elevates him to Geinian madness.
I find it amazing that supposedly rational people on this board can actually think this sort of thing at this point in our lives. I assume the OP is serious, and has been through enough election cycles. That **Sampiro **actually asks this question tells us more about him than Santorum.
When you are passionate about a candidate, ideology, or whatever, a person that speaks in opposition to what you believe in is as crazy as you are to him/her and their followers.
And since this board leans hard to the left, most of these questions and comments are targeted at the republicans and the right.
Santorum is in trouble. His only hope at all is to energize the religious right to get them to make him “their guy”. A candidate that does this is pandering to the core of his party, nothing more. The goal of each one of these guys is to face off against Obama in the fall.
Short of that, VP is his only chance, and Santorum will take that spot on the ticket in the heartbeat. How does he get that? By solidifying the religious right, who need someone to vote for to get them to the polls on election night.
I agree with this. To say that Santorum is clinically insane would be an insult to those who really are mentally ill. I might call him a raving lunatic, but I don’t really think that. I really think he’s a dangerous fanatic.
Yes, but even PA learns from its mistakes. Personally, there is a conservative Senator from PA that I’d vote for to be president. His name is Bob Casey.
This is very helpful for people who are browsing the forums using Tapatalk or some other interface which doesn’t recognize polls. Without the “poll” cue in the thread title itself, it looks like any other thread, and you can waste time reading quite far before realizing that it’s built around a poll.
This way you know to leave it until you’re at your desk, and it’s much appreciated.
…and Santorum doesn’t have a mental illness, until “blinkered and stubbornly irrational” has a DSM-IV entry.
Really? So if they parboil the tiny corpse with celery and bay leaves and then broil it with garlic, serving it to their family on a bed of risotto, you’re cool with that? They can fly the baby’s dead body on a flag pole and salute it every sun rise, and you’re ok with that?
Listen, some things are "tell’s of a disturbed mind, and this is one of them. Sorry for all you live-and-let-live types–I’m judging this one with a loud BZZZZZZT!! Crazy as a shithouse rat.
The Republican party is just trying to scare everybody with Santorum and Gingrich. When those extremist finally go away all the moderates in the USA will breath a sign of relief and then Romney will have them. The point is to scare everybody so badly that Romney looks like the most sane man in the world. No matter what he proposes, it will have a vague sheen of normalcy about it in comparison to what could have been.
Santorum, like a lot of politicians, is used to hearing people agree with whatever comes out of his mouth. He is a religious fanatic surrounded by yes-men and women, no different from so many television preachers. It’s worked for him for a lifetime, why should he change?
I think Sampiro is just wishing Santorum were crazy and that there isn’t actually a sane public figure that can have the sorts of thoughts he has and get people to vote for him and/or express that they too have the same thoughts.
His views on homosexuality are quite monstrous and most of the things he says would be downright horrifying coming out of a US President’s mouth. I think it would ease some peoples’ minds to have a different reason for all of that nonsense other than “yeah that’s what some of the voting public thinks.”
And FTR, I don’t think he’s crazy. A total asshole, and manipulative as hell of people who probably are at least half off their rockers, and a zealot, and a theocrat, and capable of developing into a full-blown sociopath, but not there yet. Voted “2”–that’s a vote for Santorum for #2.
Michele Bachmann and Ann Coulter I think you could argue are crazy. I genuinely believe Coulter has at least some Borderline Personality Disorder and at one time had a substance abuse problem, though she seems to have it under control now.
Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin are both raging ego monsters – maybe Narcissistic Personality Disorder for Palin at least. Not sure about Gingrich mentally, although his mother was bipolar.
Santorum I’m not sure about, but I don’t think what he has is mental illness. I never know what to make of some of these conservative politicians – their rhetoric seems to be so out of touch with the majority of the population. They talk about women and especially about abortion, as if they don’t actually know anything about women or about pregnancy and what can go wrong (I made a comment in the Stupid Republicans thread a while back about how you just know these guys have no idea what an ectopic pregnancy is). It seems to be, as others have stated, a combination of being sheltered and of a particular kind of foolishness that is impervious to more information and to logical thought. Like, we teach you something new, the light dawns, and you go on with more knowledge than you had before. Nope, uh-uh, not here. There are dozens of politicians like that.
