Right - that’s why they abandoned Clinton over the sexual harassment.
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Hell yes, way more would back away. There were a significant number of Democrats who considered Hillary a horrific candidate and followed Bernie despite HRC being pretty much the anointed choice. Even now, there are holdouts who’d normally be ignored due to the “fuck 'em, we don’t have to cater to them, I mean hell who else are those crunchy granola liberals gonna support?” conventional wisdom that’s led the Democratic Party since Bill Clinton. Instead, knowing many are still refusing to get behind her, Hillary’s actually going out and campaigning in an attempt to make sure they return to the fold.
Democrats are much less loyal to their party; even our representatives can’t fucking form a coalition the way the House Republicans can and cross the aisle when voting.
To paraphrase the old joke about Jews: put two Democrats in a room and you’ll get three opinions. So yeah, considering the loyalty to HRC is weak and she’s not even as cuckoo-for-cocoa-puffs as Trump, I’d say we’d back away right quick.
Given the option of Obama over Hillary, we chose the candidate with the least baggage, so there’s your precedent 
“Cuban Missile Crisis” was also used when the Ted Cruz affair stories were coming up in the primaries.
Heh, that’s awesome.
I will now go back to not visualizing Ted Cruz’s penis.
If the alleged sexual harassment accusations during the election period (unlike Trump, there was no video with Bill actually bragging about forcing his tongue down women’s throats) were accompanied by:
- calling Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals
- wanting a ban on Muslims and insulting a Gold Star family
- supporting torture
- supporting war crimes like killing terrorists’ families and stealing Iraqi oil
- hoping China will invade North Korea
- having a past rife with racism, e.g., not renting to blacks/Hispanics, disparaging the idea of having black cashiers in his casinos while stereotyping Jews (“I want guys with yarmulkes dealing with my cash”), calling a Miss Universe winner “Miss Housekeeping,” and believing all blacks live in the equivalent of one of Panem’s worst districts
- wondering what’s wrong with using nuclear weapons
- knowing nothing about foreign policy
- sucking Vladimir Putin off while disparaging our own military
- threatening to imprison his political opponent and any lawyers defending him/her
- a lifelong history of misogyny including making sexy eyes at a 10-year-old, ogling a 12-year-old Paris Hilton and lusting after his own daughter, for fuck’s sake
… Then, yeah, we probably would’ve long since abandoned Bill Clinton. No one like this would’ve gotten close to being the nominee. That’s all on *your *party, bub.
I would vote for Olympia Snowe over a pretty wide range of Democrats. If the Republicans ever decided to run with her as their standard bearer, I quickly become an undecided voter, no kidding.
Hugely less likely. If the SDMB is typical of America, any doubt or questioning of the Chosen One - once he or she has been chosen - is absolutely shouted down by the adoring mob.
Nah. I’d go with about equal. That’s a pretty lazy and trite characterization of voters and just as applicable to Trump supporters. (Although I’d argue that Clinton doesn’t quite have “the adoring mob” Trump does. At least that’s not my impression from Clinton voters.)
Your expert opinion on the true nature of America is as welcome as it is insightful.
This isn’t really an issue of political party. Rather it is an issue of morality, or being a “good person” or not, good manners. And most important of all, the law and respecting other people.
I was just watching TV and a lady pointed out that this is not just an issue with women. That her dad would have had a FIT if he was still around to watch this. That many men are good men and would never do these sorts of things.
And I agree with that. I don’t go around grabbing women. I would expect to get slapped and thrown in jail if I did so!
Since he got 4.9% when he ran for mayor of NYC a few years ago, not too many.
That’s pretty silly. Especially considering you started a thread asking for reasons to support Hillary, and ignored every answer given.
People having reasons to support someone and correcting misinformation isn’t the mob shouting down.
I think and hope we’d be a little more likely to back away.
The question in inherently ill-posed. If Trump were the Democratic nominee, that would mean that most (or at least a plurality) of Democrats voted to make him so, which would imply that they wouldn’t back away from him. Except, of course, that he’s not the Democratic nominee, because we dislike people like him enough that we wouldn’t vote him into that position to begin with.
I would only vote for the Democratic version of Trump if I truly thought that we were living in a dystopia and had nothing to lose.
That’s why I can kinda-sorta understand why some fraction of the electorate are backing Trump. At any given time, there’s always SOMEONE who has been screwed over so badly by the system that I can’t blame them for giving it the finger.
But I don’t think most Trump supporters are victims of anything. Our society has never been better on most fronts, and yet they’re acting like its the end of the world. I just don’t get it.
Just a thought but I wonder what happens if Trump actually does get elected on the promise of bringing back coal jobs and manufacturing and has to deliver the goods – if we think people are seething and ready to go off now, holy Goddamned shit!
Now that’s just mean. (Not speaking for Czarcasm)
I kinda liked Kasich. Not thrilled about HRC. But she will be fine, and perhaps great.
Cruz scares me. So does Trump of course. Trump will get little done (thank god). Cruz just might (in a subtle bad way). Difficult choice, but I would probably have to go with Cruz, if for no other reason than he wouldn’t (I don’t think) start wars from being slighted, and he does not seem to be in Putin’s pocket.
You are asking for a Democratic candidate who is narcissistic pathological liar, sex predator, business failure, who is raking the coals of racism. Hard to imagine one. Unless…Donald Trump had run as a Democrat, as suggested upthread.
The book “It Can’t Happen Here”, written in 1935, imagined a Huey Long type (that is, not a political neophyte) who knocks Roosevelt off in the convention, wins the election and institutes a dictatorship. That’s the nearest I can think of. In those days, of course, the base of the party was in the south, so not really comparable. I would certainly choose Olympia Snowe over Trump running as a Democrat. Harder question: would I choose Ted Cruz. Probably not vote, although I am not certain of that. Never vote for Trump of course.
I think to have something really comparable you’d have to posit something really crazy (like Trump was to a degree), like the police and general power structure’s relationship with African Americans strains to its breaking point leading to a vanity run by Kanye West winning a small plurality of a very contested primary vote.
I honestly have no idea what happens in this scenario. On one hand, tons of Democrats already hate him (including Obama calling him a jackass), but on the other hand if unrest with the state of the system has gotten that bad I could see people standing doggedly behind him on the view that the Republicans are only going to deteriorate those relationships further by peddling a platform of “law and order”.
Even then, as far as we know Kanye is at worst just a “jackass”, and the worst thing he’s done is defend Bill Cosby which isn’t comparable to Trump actually being accused of a ton of awful illegal things himself. As far as I can find, the worst he’s actually done is get physically aggressive with paparazzi, which is kind of low on the totem pole of “crimes people actually care about”.