Pop Culture Stuff Everyone Seems to Misunderstand

I don’t think they knew that at the time. Of course if the bulk of their air ends up in space I don’t know what that says about their long term prospects for life.

Raiders of the Lost Ark, there’s a popular meme that was given to the world by The Big Bang Theory that says

Indiana Jones plays no role in the outcome of the story. If he weren’t in the film, it would turn out exactly the same… If he weren’t in the movie, the Nazis would still have found the Ark, taken it to the island, opened it up, and all died, just like they did.

This is forgetting the three major things Indy does.

  1. Saves Marion from the Nazis in her bar

  2. Causes the Nazis to dig in the wrong place because of saving Marion

  3. Blows up the Nazi airplane that was originally going to transport the Ark directly to Berlin

So if Indy wasn’t there, the Nazi’s would have killed Marion, went directly to the dig site to recover it, then fly it straight to Berlin and then they could do whatever the hell they wanted with it. Destroying the plane is what causes the US Government to get ahold of the the ark in the first place. Even if the Nazi’s did open it and all die, it would still be in German hands and they could send as many political prisoners to experiment with it to see what made it tick as they wanted, like a weird SCP Foundation research base.

Detractors try to mission creep and claim “Well maybe the Ark would have killed Hitler” or “But Indy doesn’t recover the ark to put in a museum” but neither of those have anything to do with the flawed premise that the Big Bang Theory thought they were so smart for bringing up.

Well, unless they opened it directly in front of der Führer and his leadership, which would probably have had some other effects, let’s say, on the world at large.

Exactly. The ‘rule of stupid’ applies much more to real-life situations than to fiction. I was just reading about the fire on the SS Normandie in 1942. So many stupid decisions, made at so many levels of the chain of command. Heinlein’s ‘competent hero’ seems to be woefully absent in real life situations.

That impressed me too, especially when the ABC warrior showed up.

Stallone wasn’t right for the role, though.

But they wouldn’t just open it up right in front of Hitler anyway, as the entire point of the ceremony at the sub base was to see if it actually worked. If you’re presenting something to Hitler you better make sure it’s not just a bunch of dust in an old trunk.

Forget, for a moment, the absurdity of Indy riding outside the submarine - let’s talk about how they got the Ark inside the sub in the first place. There aren’t any doors bigger than a torpedo, or a man, on that boat.

I’ve heard a similar argument about Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone; that if the kids did absolutely nothing, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named would not be able to get the stone. (Although it’s been decades since I read the novel so I may be missing something.)

I saw a sitcom episode once (“It’s a Living”?) in which the characters are trapped on an upper floor of a skyscraper by a fire (obviously a pre-9/11 episode), and to keep up their spirits, they sing “You Are My Sunshine” - only realizing after they are partway through how sad the lyrics really are.

(see also “On Top of Old Smoky” which really goes downhill towards the end:

“and the grave will decay you and turn you to dust” (etc.))

I think I noticed the shift to colour the very first time I saw it. It was like the first colour film ever made, wasn’t it?

No. Color film and the 3-strip Technicolor process had already been around for quite a while.

Or how about

Ring around the Rosie
Pocketful of posie
Ashes, ashes
We all fall down!

A charming little ditty to help us remember the plague. :flushed:

Well okay, then.

And if you want to count 2-strip Technicolor, color film goes back to the silent movie days.

That is unfortunately, probably not true Ring a Ring o' Roses - Wikipedia

I don’t have my copies at hand, but there was definitely a lengthy article in Cinefamntastique pointing out the obvious borrowings from It!, from Planet of Vampires, and elsewhere.

From an interview with Walter Giler in the special Cinefantastique Alien issue (January 1979) (Not the article I was refering to)

Which basically admits that, if you take out the Ash subplot, you’ve got IT! The Terror from Beyond Space.

Have a look at page 207 in Paul Blaisdell, Monster Maker.

Blaisdell might not think there was a similarity, but the book makes clear that “[Alien] suffered critical barbs fired by fans who remembered IT! The Terror from Beyond Space and believed it to be the uncredited inspiration…”

It in fact does not.

I normally think that Quora is a lousy cite, but the top answer there is sublime.