Really? The women not being porn professionals is one of the reasons I like “gonzo” porn. It seems every professional porn actress learns the same annoying “uuhhhhh-yeah!” whine and it drives me nuts. The amateurs sound like regular human beings. Although the only “gonzo” porn director I really like is “Ben Dover”, who specialized in the “British girl next door” genre.
It’s a convention that has largely passed to real life. Chicks think that guys want to hear a noisy girl so they do it.
[TMI warning]
There was one time time I got pretty pissed off, when I was really drunk and could only get about 30% inflated. It was like trying to pick a lock with overcooked spaghetti, but I was just hoping he would recognize his element and come to life. but she was screaming like I had a flaming cattle brand. It was just so patronizing I picked up my pants and went home.
Don’t want Japanese porn. These girls are taught a high-pitched squeal and to feign look being hurt so the whole thing makes them sound like they are in pain.
Oh, I don’t mind the girls in gonzo porn - I just wish the men would stop with the fake moaning and groaning!
Actually, my other problem with gonzo (and the like) is that, too often, it really looks like the girl had no idea what she was getting into. You get this cute, petite, fresh-out-of-high-school 18-year old who thought she was going to give a blowjob and fuck and get paid for it, and next thing she knows she’s got 9 inches being forced down her throat and up her butt, and this look on her face that says, “Please let this be over soon so I can get my money and leave!” I’m all for rough sex in my porn (hell, I’m a spanking/BDSM enthusiast); I just prefer it when the actresses appear to have gone into it with an understanding of what was going to happen, instead of looking like they’re being taken advantage of and just going along with it because they need the money.
Granted, I may be misusing the term “gonzo”.
Well, at least that’s better than my too-drunk-to-get-it-up experience. That chick took it as a personal insult and proceeded with a string of sarcastic “apologies” that she just wasn’t sexy enough for me :rolleyes:
No, Ben’s crew is mostly silent. Ben himself is chattering constantly, but I don’t mind. His persona is “I’m the luckiest man in the entire universe!” A typical Ben title is “Bored housewife writes to Ben that she has always had a fantasy of appearing in a porn”. And the thing is, a large percentage of them look nothing like the typical bottle-blonde, pneumatically-enhanced porn starlet.
What you described would fall under the broad heading, but it really does not appeal to me. Ben’s stuff is what I would call “friendly gonzo” - none of that stuff that has pretty much ruined most current porn for me - spitting, slapping, choking, gagging, derogatory names, etc. It is pretty much everywhere. It’s fine for those who are into it, but it has invaded mainstream porn and is difficult to avoid.
Seen it and have no use for it.
I’m thinking the latter.
Men are generally quieter because if we were to vocalize our thoughts, the women would kick us out of the saddle in an instant!
All this time, I thought it was just a cultural difference. Especially since they tend to do it even in supposedly realistic setups.
Anyways, I wanted to point out that, when you watch hypnotists that do the orgasm thing, the women are extremely expressive without having to do the porn thing. But the men look ridiculous–almost like they are in pain.
In my experience, it is the penetrative party that does the screaming and moaning, regardless of sex. Looking at myself, I pant a bit when I thrust and softly groan when I come, but when I’m being fucked I’m a lot louder. The same experience with other men. The (very) few women I’ve been with were a lot loader when they were being penetrated than when they were eaten or fingered.
Ofcourse, porn exaggerates a lot too.
I’ll never be able to relate to the “guy in the film is a proxy for the viewer” idea. That sounds like cover for just wanting to see a nude guy go to work. And there’s nothing wrong with that. But I don’t see the wish fulfillment angle. I think it was Jim Gaffigan who joked about the food channel being porn for hungry people. Awesome looking dessert is great on its own. As soon as some fat slob pulls up and starts pigging out, ugh, that’s terrible. Appetite lost. If I want to drool over a cake I’d just want pictures or movies of the cake.
This is part of it too and plays into the fake orgasming from a substantial minority of women – not only do they think that’s what guys want to hear, that’s what they think normal women having actual orgasms sound like. They wouldn’t know either way themselves.
Same here. The worst part, my brother rents a room from my husband and me at our house. Sometimes I start getting into it… and then remember my brother is on the other side of the wall, and it kills the mood. I love having loud, unabashed sex. When my brother’s at work and my husband and I are both home, sometimes we just go at it like loud animals… well, I’m loud; he’s animal.
Hmmm. I know I read something about this in Sex at Dawn. (Great book, btw). In it the authors make a pretty convincing argument for females to have had multiple partners and (if I am recalling correctly) the vocalizations would draw in additional partners. Kind of a mating signal. If this is true, the vocalizations may be an artifact from our evolutionary history.
Myself, I am a mostly quiet female during sex because I go into the fantasies in my head. In fact, sometimes my parter makes noises that totally ruin the vibe I’ve got going. I like quiet sex.
Isn’t Gonzo that muppet with the thing for chickens? Wow, Rule 34 in action!
If I really want to impress a chick, I keep quiet until the very very end, then go all Daffy Duck (“woo-woo-wo-wo-wOOO”), bouncing around the room and leaping on the furniture. Oh yeah, lots of second dates with that technique.
I hate professional porn noises. It’s always “oh yea. oh yea. ohhh. yea. oh yea. oh yeaaaa.” in the most boring monotone the girl can muster. Then there’s the whole “Let’s mount the camera on a giant corkscrew so it twists around every time it pans” bullshit. I like amateur stuff better because I know they do it because they love it, not just because they’re getting some bucks to entertain me with their dignity. Plus they get all inventive with their dirty talk, screaming “fuck me with your nigger cock, you cracker!” and such.
What have you done, Skald?
What have you done?
I agree that the women are generally more demonstrative than the men because the majority of porn consumers are men, and thus tend to be more interested in her performance than his.
Wasn’t always the case, though. Lots of '80s porn, as I recall, used to include extended close-ups of the guy making exaggerated, grimacing faces. These shots often tended to appear at just the wrong time.
Speaking of the more verbal dirty talk, anybody notice how the typical talk has the actors objectifying/depersonalizing their own naughty bits?
“Oh yeah, fuck that pussy!”
“Oh yeah, smack that ass!”
“Oh yeah, baby, suck that cock!”
It’s almost never “my pussy/ass/cock”.
One thing that really “takes me out” of a scene is when the girl specifically points out how young she is:
“You like that 18-year-old pussy?”
“Oh yeah, stick your old cock in my teen pussy!”
Who would really say that? 
(I’m also reminded of a comment I saw somewhere that pointed out that teenagers never actually call themselves “teens”, outside of TV commercials.)
Just to chime in and say that gay porn volume levels vary - I’ve watched two men have sex and barely make a sound, I’ve had to stop watching some scenes because it was effectively two guys yelling at each other. I agree with whoever said that the penetratee is usually the one making the noise though, although since I started topping I’ve found I can yell pretty loudly when I cum. 
They make Point of View (POV) porn now so you don’t have to look at the guy. I’ve never liked seeing the guy in porn (hetero male here). But when you leave the guy out altogether, it’s harder to accept porn as real sex (see Money Shot). It won’t be long before you can get yourself inserted in the porn, replacing, the guy, or whoever, whatever you want. None of it is a substitute for the real thing.
Perhaps the unimaginative types need to see the guy. And then there people who want to see the guy, as you mentioned. Maybe other guys just focus on the girl, and ignore the guy. I just see the guy as someone besides me having sex with the girl.
I haven’t noticed girl-girl porn being a lot louder than boy-girl porn, but then I usually have the sound off anyway. Not many of the girls are worth listening to. I wonder how loud the girls are in lesbian porn (produced for lesbians, not straight guys).
All I know is that porn actually ruins reality, sometimes, because when I hear or say something myself that sounds like a noise or line from porn, it totally kills my boner. By the time the next generation is sexually active, I’m not sure they’ll be able to distinguish between fantasy and reality.
I’ll also add that some women need to stay reeeally silent to orgasm, to the point where they’re controlling their breathing or holding their breath. Or sometimes it’s just, as with the boys, a holdover from quiet masturbation sessions.