Post Beatles: Lennon vs McCartney

Who put out the best music?

My ipod has Lennon the winner 10 to 3.

John

Imagine
Instant Karma
Jealous Guy
Cold Turkey
Mind Games
#9 Dream
(Just like) Starting Over
Women
Watching the Wheels
Give Peace A Chance

Paul

Maybe I’m Amazed
My Love
Uncle Albert/ Admiral Hasley

What your “score”?

Nil all going in to extra time.

You have to wonder what you would think had Mcartney been killed in 1980, and Lennon had lived. It’s easy to dismiss that effect, but I think it is much more significant than “afficianado’s” like to admit.

I adored the Beatles and their music, but I have to admit there hasn’t much by either John or Paul since that I’ve liked all that much. Just sorta/kinda, if at all. However, despite Paul’s greater output, I’d give the nod to John as to which one’s music I sorta/kinda liked best. I felt that way prior to John’s murder, and Paul’s output since hasn’t changed my mind.

For the record, I tend to agree that Lennon’s music was better, but I can’t be sure that in alternate universe McCartney’s music would have been played differently had he died.

Lennon v McCartney? Impossible to choose!

Might as well ask if I like Ron or Dirk better.

Seriously, though, it’s a toss up for me. They each have songs that are inextricably linked to big emotional moments of my life.

I wonder what it might have sounded like if they had covered a few of each other’s tunes.

Dead heat at 0/0.

Lennon 21, McCartney 25, Harrison 25, Ringo 2.

In my defense, it’s a big iPod.

I’ve got three LPs in favor of Lennon (Walls and Bridges, Imagine, Double Fantasy) and three LPs in favor of McCartney (Band on the Run, Speed of Sound, Wings over America)

Just have to figure out what to do about Suzy and the Red Stripes:smiley:

IMHO: John Lennon had more great songs, post Beatles than Paul did.

(You Tube Links below)
Imagine, Working Class Hero, “Happy Xmas (War Is Over)”, Give Peace A Chance, John Lennon’s version of Stand By Me, Jealous Guy, Woman, Nobody Told Me, “Jealous Guy”, “Love”, beautiful boy (darling boy), the more obscure Borrowed Time, Woman is the Nigger of the World, “Power to the People”, “Instant Karma!”, “Cold Turkey”, “#9 Dream” and I am forgetting a few.

Oh, I forgot Nobody Loves You (When You’re Down And Out)

Look in the end, Paul was a great Pop Artist, John really was a genius, he was something truly special, if anything, he was better & deeper after the Beatles.

Did I mention Imagine, that trumps everything Paul did post-Beatles, by itself.

When John Lennon was gunned down, I was only 14. I cried on and off for the next day or two. I know I missed school that Tuesday and I was disappointed, I could not go to the Strawberry Fields Candle Remembrance with my older brother and some of my friends. I think that was on the following Sunday.

My father & I were watching Monday Night Football, when a shocked Howard Cosell announced his death. I had a second room in my parents basement where my stereo was and I just went down there and listened to John’s music into the night.
I forgot my score: 14 for John Lennon to only 2 for Paul. Not an Ipod, just my hard drive.

Jim

This was sort of my feeling when I first read the OP. I answered, as can be seen above; but really, it is (IMHO) like comparing apples and bananas. One was arty and desired to Say Something, one wrote and played music in order to sell it. One was the George Orwell of music; the other was the Stephen King. Or so it seemed to me; John’s music was art for the few; Paul’s was commercial for the masses. It’s a difficult question, really; if you remember the post-Beatle days when McCartney and Lennon were each pursuing separate paths.

What are your 2 songs from Paul?

george!

I don’t have either on my iPod, but as far as post Beatles music, my nod has to go to George Harrison – 1 album (All Things Must Pass). I also have one from Paul (Band on the Run), but that had far fewer songs (but was probably better overall). I had nothing by Lennon because his stuff was very uneven, usually because he insisted Yoko take part.

To further complicate the issue, according to Lennon himself, McCartney wrote more Beatles songs than he did.

“Hope of Deliverance” is McCartney’s best post-Beatles song. It went nowhere in the U.S. as a single, probably because it was far more mature as well as darker than his earlier material. But that’s what makes it work.

“We live in hope of deliverance from the darkness that surrounds us.”

So, whose Simpsons appearance was best?

Is there even any question? Just listen to Plastic Ono Band once. It speaks for itself.

Plastic Ono Band beats anything McCartney ever put out, but McCartney did a lot more good songs. McCartney was, of course, much more active.

Personally, though, I get off on some of Harrison’s music more than anything either of them did. Songs like “What is Life,” “Dream Away” (my personal favorite), his cover of “I’ve Got My Mind Set On You,” and some of the Travelling Wilburys’ stuff is just amazing.

I’m not big into either of them, but I did watch a Lennon DVD (Imagine, I think, it was a greatest hits thing), and saw the US vs John Lennon. I have to agree with Jim. Paul’s great, and very musically talented, but John was on a different plane. Salieri vs Mozart, Magritte vs de Kooning, King of the Hill vs the Simpsons.

Truth is, none of the Beatles maintained the peak of their creativity for long after the group split. Lennon managed to produce a great album (Plastic Ono Band) and a pretty good one (Imagine) before his muse gave out on him; ever the solipsist, he had nothing left to write about except idiotic New Left politics and, when that dried up, his creepy wife/mother-figure. In addition, he needed a strong producer to create listenable work. Much of his work post-1971 is bland and lacking in any distinctive character – including Double Fantasy, which garnered tepid praise at best in the few days between its advance release and December 8th. (The miraculous reappraisal that record has undergone should sicken any true Lennon admirer.)

As for George Harrison, the frustration he’d endured in having his songs continually overlooked by Lennon and McCartney paid a surprising dividend: he was able to stock his first proper solo disk with the great songs that might have graced Let It Be or Abbey Road had his colleagues been of more generous mind. Once his backlog was cleared, he sank into the same torpor as Lennon. Much of Harrison’s 70s output was, until a few years ago, actually out of print. He did score a nice hit with Cloud Nine, an album with some pretty good songs only partially destroyed by Jeff Lynne’s soul-sucking production.

McCartney’s solo career is interesting in that he’s the only one of the Beatles truly capable of producing himself, and as awful as a lot of his post-Beatles output is – some of those records have, at best, a single worthwhile song – you do at least hear him attempting to advance his sound; a lot of it may be crap, but it’s interesting-sounding crap. (Compare the quirky, New Wave-y sound of McCartney II with the AOR-pop of Double Fantasy.) McCartney’s are the only solo Beatles albums that really do sound like the work of one person, from beginning to end, and I think that lends an aspect to his solo career that’s worth rediscovering.

As for who’s better, I think it is very much an apples/oranges/pears thing. I think Plastic Ono Band is probably the best album any ex-Beatle ever made; I think All Things Must Pass is damn fine; and I think Paul McCartney has produced much better work than most people realize. In fact, I dream of attending a Paul McCartney show where he doesn’t play a single Beatles song; he could easily fill a two-hour set with great solo material. Granted, he’s had almost 40 years to build it up.